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8th international banker to die in a month jumps off building in China

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A man who jumped from the JP Morgan building in Hong Kong this week becomes the 8th banker to die mysteriously this month

By John Vibes

HONG KONG (INTELLIHUB) — All month we have been reporting on the suspicious string of apparent suicides that have hit the financial industry.  Multiple bankers have been found dead in recent weeks, all of them have been ruled suicides despite the fact that little information has been released in some of the cases.

Those who had high profile deaths, like the man who jumped from the top of the JP Morgan HQ building in Europe are highly publicized, but overall, very few details about any of these deaths have been made public.  Now this week, another investment banker has jumped from a different JP Morgan HQ, on a different continent, this time in Hong Kong, China.

The fact that many of these deaths seem to be tied to JP Morgan is arousing further suspicion that there is more to this story than meets the eye.

String of suspicious deaths:

1 – William Broeksmit, 58-year-old former senior executive at Deutsche Bank AG, was found dead in his home after an apparent suicide in South Kensington in central London, on January 26th.

2- Karl Slym, 51 year old Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym, was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok on January 27th.

3 – Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old JP Morgan employee, died after falling from the roof of the JP Morgan European headquarters in London on January 27th.

4 – Mike Dueker, 50-year-old chief economist of a US investment bank was found dead close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State.

5 – Richard Talley, the 57 year old founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was found dead earlier this month after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun.

6 -Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month, however the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown.

7 – Ryan Henry Crane, a 37 year old executive at JP Morgan died in an alleged suicide just a few weeks ago.  No details have been released about his death aside from this small obituary announcement at the Stamford Daily Voice.

8 - Li Junjie, 33-year-old banker in Hong Kong jumped from the JP Morgan HQ in Hong Kong this week.

Were these bankers killed for knowing too much?  Were they involved in something so unethical that they killed themselves out of shame?  These are the speculations that are rising in the wake of these apparent suicides.

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  • kirkmcloren

    Talley got 8 nails. Not a suicide. I think he was #3.
    Lips are being sealed.

  • Guest

    Karl Slym was not a banker. He was the head of a motors company under investigation for criminal activity which he had already spent six months in jail for…

  • Schawminator

    Lets see, the man F’d up and in disgrace and the Chinese said to him before it goes public you’d better jump.

  • Douglas Hotchkiss

    i dont see robin clark, with rp martin shot in london. dickenson is new to me.

  • Rees Britton

    That might be perfectly legitimate if he were the only one…

  • Deb

    what do they all have in common! Do some investigative journalism god damn it!!!

  • ted

    Wish they would take a lawyer with them.

  • LeonPettyjohn

    Political take Over of Finance!

  • Douglas Hotchkiss

    journalist david bird is missing., he was poking at this , the forex scandal

  • Douglas Hotchkiss

    copy that, tata motors.

  • Chris Sky

    my guess is they know about the impending “wealth tax” a la Cyprus (bank deposit confiscation) and were deemed “expendable” because they did not hold a favorable view of it. just speculation, of course…

  • AwAm

    Too bad none of them were the Rothschild family, of the Rothschild banking dynasty, or their minions.

  • PieMan

    The pending doom! Nobody has fixed anything it ain’t gonna be pretty!

  • Jeffrey Din

    Sell your stocks now and take all money in 401Ks out of mutual funds. If 8 bankers commit suicide, this is a bad sign of what’s coming in the stock market- a major 1929 style crash where bankers also committed suicide.

  • robertsgt40

    Loose lips sink ships…I hope

  • disqus_SVd740QUw0

    The photo is Chase Manhattan… It’s like an economic 911 in the making.

  • Edward Phillips

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp Is this the last generation we are seeing ?

  • onlookr

    Please change the title name,
    8th international banker to die in a month jumps off building in Hong kong==== not China!

  • http://gideonakinwusi.blogspot.com/ Gideon

    All goes down to greed. MONEY MONEY MONEY! If it’s truly lip sealing, shame! http://gideonakinwusi.blogspot.com/

  • marcolino

    Clyde Lewis on Ground Zero (Portland, OR) was following these deaths last week. What do they know that we don’t? Certainly nothing good.

  • gardengranny

    It sure looks suspicious. I’d be very wary of having my money in the stock market right now. Heck, I’m worried about having my money in a BANK ACCOUNT right now. Can’t do without it though. Good thing I’m pretty dang poor, they won’t get much from me! In all reality someone I hope is investigating these “non related” deaths.

  • anchorite

    Stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. 8 financial people around the world killed themselves in 1 month? 22 American vets commit suicide every DAY. I’ll bet some of these financial types were vets, I’ll bet almost all of them were depressives or bipolars or alcoholics. And I’m sorry, when did not “releasing the details of the case” become cause for suspicion? Suicides aren’t news, and the family of the dead deserve some privacy. How is it The Internet’s business that someone was drinking too much and had just gone through a nasty child custody battle?

  • bewisetoday

    There were 3 on the same day, Jan 31st, so it seems as unlikely as two planes crashing into the World Trade Towers and then crumbling to bits within 15 minutes of each other, or 3 assassinations (Kennedy, Kennedy and MLK) within 3 short years. Wake up, and smell the coffee.

  • anchorite

    You know 3 million Vietnamese people died in the war, right? That’s about 500 a day, and here we’re talking about every banker in the world, which is a bigger sample size than the entire population of Vietnam. As for the reference to 9/11, are you one of those people that thinks THAT was a conspiracy by as-yet-undiscovered plotters as well? I’m sorry, this is as ridiculous as Benghazi. If you can’t say what they’re covering up, how do you know they’re covering up anything? I’m not in the habit of accusing an unknown number of unknown people of unknown crimes that took place ostensibly to cover up other unknown crimes that nobody can even guess happened at all.

  • anchorite

    Yep, thank you. I’m guessing all of these people had histories that, if you knew them, you wouldn’t be surprised to see it end in suicide or accidental death. And those are the kinds of deaths the NOBODY ever reveals the details of even to friends and coworkers for the sake of the privacy of the dead. Why would you allow the police to tell everyone your late husband and father of your children was really a coked up guy who committed bank fraud and was into autoerotic asphyxiation? Better to say he accidentally fell in the shower and let people theorize about the illuminati.

  • anchorite

    They never said it was a suicide. There is such a thing as an accidental death. I’ve seen fully automatic nail guns in action.

  • kirkmcloren

    Don’t piss on my boots and tell me it is raining.

  • Guestette

    Exposing what lies beneath the bodies of dead bankers and what lies ahead for us:
    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/61200

  • Lucid Chaos

    Um, that’s because there was a fucking WAR in Vietnam.

    “If you can’t say what they’re covering up, how do you know they’re covering up anything?”

    So if someone punches your window in and the authorities later claim a terrorist blew up a bomb that shattered your window, you don’t know a cover-up is in motion (despite seeing no evidence consistent with their story) simply because you don’t know exactly what they’re covering up? What if someone was pulling an elaborate con game on you? A scam? You saw a million fishy things about it, some of them major red flags. Would you decide that because you couldn’t discern the precise nature of the scam or who was ultimately running it that you could not peg it as a scam?

  • Lucid Chaos

    Challenge: Find us another instance of seven or eight or even five prominent bankers meeting untimely ends within a month during a time period in which there isn’t an obvious external cause (like a crash).

    Here’s a hint: despite your baseless assumptions, it doesn’t happen. Object to that? Prove otherwise. Not with war veterans, not with war casualties, but with high-level bankers. Or, let’s say, powerful executives in any profession. Based on your reasoning, it should be a piece of cake.

  • anchorite

    Uh, yes, that’s what I just said. We were at war with Vietnam. So you don’t find it at all strange that 3 million people died there, while you find it terribly suspicious that in the US, one millionth as many people were assassinated in 5 years, including a black civil rights leader by white supremacists, in the 1960′s, a President waging two invasions of communist countries at the same time, and another politician supporting the Israeli genocide against the Palestinians? You think somehow it’s a conspiracy that people were dying here over that?

  • anchorite

    Oh, maybe you should go be a forensic pathologist, you seem to be able discern an entire history of events from a single fact. There was an 8 year old boy who blew his head off at a gun show with a mini-uzi with multiple shots. Yeah, that’s right, an 8 year old boy, who shot himself in the head, multiple times, with a machinegun. Apparently to you there’s some sort of coverup going on.

  • anchorite

    You don’t seem to understand. If you care, YOU have to prove it. I don’t have to do a thing because it’s being handled correctly according to me already. Do you know how many bankers, title agents, and motor company heads there are in the world? No? What is the suicide background rate of the population at large in all of these countries? Don’t know that either? Hmm, sounds like you just picked an arbitrary time period, an arbitrary number of people and tried to make it sound suspicious. Can you prove any of these people even knew each other existed? What really happened? Hmm? Were they murdered? By whom, and why? Do you have a motive that doesn’t sound like an episode to a cartoon? “Because they knew too much.” Gimme a break. Good luck getting 8 grand juries to do anything with that one.

  • Duane Howard

    then if they know of an impending doom they have the power to sell ..get out ..and survive ..this tho ..speaks of something much different

  • Lucid Chaos

    No, you’re asking me to prove a negative. My claim is that eight top bankers, three working for the same firm, meeting violent and untimely ends within a month is unusual – nothing more. To claim otherwise would be, in most people’s eyes, extraordinary. The burden of proof rests with the one making the extraordinary claim.

    Furthermore, why did you write this paragraph filled with questions that someone who has no inside information would not be able to answer? Again, based on your reasoning, it should be easy to have met my challenge. Finding a way out of it by shifting the burden of proof onto me should be entirely unnecessary if you are correct and this is a normal occurrence. Again, good luck.

  • Lucid Chaos

    Given the fact that the U.S. military was waging a bloody, imperialistic war utilizing a wide variety of extremely deadly weapons technologies against the Vietnamese population, I don’t think it’s strange that millions were killed. I do not see how this relates to eight bankers meeting violent and untimely ends in a month, three of them employed by the same firm.

    As to the political assassinations, it isn’t as much that three happened in five years as it is that the official narrative is saturated with innumerable contradictions and ‘coincidences’ of the kind that beggar belief. Just because the official narrative makes sense in theory doesn’t mean it actually does. There’s very little evidence that Lee Oswald was a communist, by the way, and ample evidence that he was a provocateur working for some agency of the federal government (likely CIA and/or FBI) to infiltrate such groups. I can elaborate on this if you would like to discuss it. Among the members of the Warren Panel, by the way, were two known Nazi collaborators. The chairman was one of the prime movers behind the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII, and two others were prominent racist politicians. Quite a group.

    The de facto head (one of the two known Nazi collaborators) was Allen Dulles, a former CIA director (1953-1961) who had been a bitter enemy of JFK since he had forced him to resign. Dulles happens to have been a close friend and lover of Mary Bancroft, a U.S. intelligence asset whose lifelong friend, Ruth Paine, hosted the Oswalds in her home and produced much of the dubious evidence used to incriminate Lee Oswald in the aftermath of the assassination. Lee was introduced to Ruth and her husband Michael by Baron George de Mohrenschildt, a wealth Russian emigre who was, according to the Warren Panel, Lee’s closest friend. George and his brother, Dimitri, were both CIA assets, as was their father. All three knew Dulles well.

  • Lee Elliott

    That is funny, and pathetic, auto nails guns? You mean to say you would believe that an automatic nail gun nailed this guy 8 times in all parts of his body from torso to his head?
    If you actually think that could have happened then you are safe, the government loves people who cannot use their brains nor have any common sense

  • Lee Elliott

    Sheesh, do a little study on history, all the scams, conspiracy, secret power plays have happened many, many times in history, BIG lies to the common people, it has happened so many times in history. If you knew a little about the history of humans then you would realize this is most likely some sort of conspiracy. it has been happening for thousands of years, over and over again. Same things, just new times and better technology…what is this comparing to the Vietnam war? Pathetic numb skulls abound in the world. People have been killing each other for money and power for thousands of years and telling lies and creating coverup…this is nothing new to people who know just a little bit about history and human nature.

  • Lee Elliott

    skip anchorite, brainwashed fodder, that person would not want to know truth, trust me

  • anchorite

    FYI I have a degree in history and have worked in forensics for years. I know when I’m looking at a conspiracy and when I’m looking at paranoid rhetoric for people who want more excitement in their lives.

  • anchorite

    Actually it’s paranoiacs the government loves. They’re too busy chasing after the Illuminati to realize how the world, and physics, works and respond to it.

  • Lucid Chaos

    1. I can substantiate literally everything I wrote in that post about the assassination with credible evidence. Name the claim and I’ll name the source.

    2. Not a single word of what I said about the assassination had to do with forensics. While I do not believe that Lee Oswald shot the president, that has no bearing on any of the information I posted. By the way, in addition to producing much of the dubious evidence against him, Ruth Paine also arranged for his employment at the Texas School Book Depository, just as George de Mohrenschildt had arranged for his employment at JCS.

    3. Thirdly, psychoanalysis is completely empty. As easily as you can assert that I “want more excitement in my life,” I could assert that you take such a strong position on “conspiracy theories” (while most others are fascinated or simply indifferent to the documented oddities in our past and present) because you have a desire to conform to some kind of socially defined concept of rationality. A desire to say “I am one of the ‘normal’ ones.” It would be rather ignorant to pass such judgments on someone I have never met or spoken to in person, however, and so I tend to see such arguments as being a complete waste of time. If it is any of your concern, however, I am quite content with my life. Life is weird, and I find it fascinating how others can get bored.

    4. No truly rational human being would consider the connections I elaborated on to be meaningless. Thus, I am led to conclude that you simply do not believe I am telling the truth. If that is the case, then I would be happy to provide references for anything you are unable to confirm on your own. If you are truly dismissing such significant information (which, if nothing else, establishes an enormous conflict of interest on the part of the most influential member of the Warren Panel and shows that Oswald, contrary to the official claim, was well-connected with the U.S. intelligence services) as “paranoid rhetoric” simply because it does not conform to your worldview, then I have to say that you are just as irrational and driven by confirmation bias as the worst of the “conspiracy theorists.”

  • Lucid Chaos

    When it is things like this, I’ve got no issue. Let people believe what they want to believe.

    But when it comes to the Kennedy assassination, to authoritatively state that there was no conspiracy is not only an insult to historical truth, but a slap in the face to the work of the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB), the initial congressional investigation conducted by Gaeton Fonzi, Richard Sprague, and others, and the countless witnesses and researchers who have suffered severely for their brave work.

    I’m sick of seeing so many people read “Reclaiming History,” watch a television special, or find the horrendously slanted website of John McAdams before coming to the conclusion that they’re an expert on the facts of the case. That so much destruction of evidence, intimidation of witnesses, suppression of significant facts, incredible ‘coincidence’, intelligence connections, and evidence of conspiracy in the actual murder can surface, only to be dismissed with glib denials by those who proclaim themselves to be skeptical, is maddening.

    For those who are interested, Antonio Veciana, the leader of Alpha 66, one of the most violent anti-Castro groups at the time of the assassination, signed a written statement on November 22, 2013, the fiftieth anniversary. He finally confirmed what he had first hinted before Congress and then remained silent about for years after surviving an almost fatal shooting: “Maurice Bishop,” the CIA case officer assigned to supervise his group and the man he saw with Lee Oswald in Dallas in September 1963, was indeed David Atlee Phillips.
    http://www.ctka.net/2013/veciana.html

    Phillips, like the rest of the CIA leadership, blamed Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs Invasion because he had refused to provide air support. As he received reports about the disastrous outcome of the invasion, he had an emotional breakdown. At the time of the assassination, he was the Chief of Cuban Operations for the CIA in Mexico City, a position he had took shortly before Oswald’s alleged visit there. It has since emerged that Phillips was one of two CIA officers (the other being Jim McChord of Watergate infame) overseeing a program targeting the Fair Play for Cuba Committee (FPCC), the very group that Oswald, a man who appears to have been one degree of separation (at the farthest) from the CIA for almost the entirety of his life, dubiously represented in several publicity stunts in New Orleans.

    This only scratches the surface of Oswald’s connection to the CIA counterintelligence effort against the FPCC (which, of course, folded soon after the assassination) and to its commanding officer, David Atlee Phillips, who admitted to his brother Larry before his death that he was in Dallas at the time of the assassination.

    Yet some would have us believe that none of this means anything. That, to anyone with reason, is ludicrous and suggests a dogmatic allegiance to official history.

  • mack

    would you like to buy a bridge???

  • mack

    we need some “suicides” at the Executive Branch level!!!!!!

  • Sophos Varitas

    What an Anchoritian brainwashed dummy. Having a degree in history doesn’t mean jack shit u lil fake, history has always been written by the Winners aka the oppressors and not the oppressed. You don’t make sens at all, your objective is to disturb the ”average” opinion and delude it with your fake fucking bullshit. Your game is old and fake. You are just one of them proud ones… nail gun, Vietnam, blah blah blah hahaha your logic made me lough and gave me a fucking tumor nearly causing me a stroke… Braindead, that’s what you are sir, BRAIN-FUCKING-DEAD. Go get another degree in history lol and be in dept again.
    Lucid Chaos, all my ratings! Nothing to declare, well structured crystal clear arguments straight to the motherfucking point, Anchorite, I hope you took some notes, honestly.

    Namaste

  • Lilu Kanine

    And maybe you should be a detective, you seem to possess the necessary skill set. Or maybe internal affairs.

  • Lucid Chaos

    On issues like the banker deaths, I can leave it alone. It’s murky and people can believe what they want to believe.

    But to categorically deny that there was a conspiracy in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy is a slap in the face to the work of congressional investigators such as Gaeton Fonzi and Richard Sprague, the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB), the many witnesses who have severely suffered for what they knew, and the many researchers who have continued the investigation. To dismiss all information about a conspiracy in that case is simply an insult to historical truth.

    I’ve found that many people have simply watched a documentary on television, found the atrociously slanted website of John McAdams (or is it Paul Nolan? Haha) or read “Reclaiming History” before deciding that they’re now an expert on the case. It is frustrating and it really makes me sad, because you’d like to think that in a free, supposedly reasonable society, all of the suffering endured by so many people connected with the case to bring us new information about it would have actually meant something. Instead they’re simply ignored after some media expert explains to us their thoughts on whether or not the proposed shot from the sixth floor was feasible, as if negating that point will make the vast body of evidence that has been amassed in fifty years simply vanish.

  • Guest

    edit

  • Lucid Chaos

    A rather important event happened in assassination research on the fiftieth anniversary. Antonio Veciana, leader of Alpha 66, one of the most violent Cuban exile groups, confirmed in a written statement what he had hinted during the congressional investigation in 1976 before surviving a fatal shooting. After remaining silent for decades, he has finally said that his CIA case officer “Maurice Bishop” was, in fact, David Atlee Phillips. He had revealed during the congressional investigation that he had seen Lee Harvey Oswald with “Bishop” (Phillips) in September 1963.

    Phillips was one of two CIA officers who headed the counterintelligence operation being mounted against the Fair Play for Cuba Committee (FPCC), the very group that Oswald ostensibly represented in a series of publicity stunts in the months before the assassination. At the time of the assassination, he was the Chief of Cuban Operations for the CIA in Mexico City, a position he had took shortly before Oswald’s alleged visit there. Before his death, Phillips, a man with a long history of highly illegal and immoral covert operations (including assassinations and coups), admitted to his estranged brother that he had been in Dallas when the assassination had taken place.

  • http://gideonakinwusi.blogspot.com/ Gideon

    Guys can’t you see it’s wired? Greed Greed Greed. It’s all about money. Why didn’t a mechanical engineer commit suicide? anyways take care http://gideonakinwusi.blogspot.com/

  • Dead Bankers

    What is going on? and where is #DavidBird? follow @deadbankers on twitter and If i find anything out I will tell you all…..

  • Common man

    There is such a thing as murder also…

  • Common man

    No, no, no, actually they love those that make an opinion that suits them even before the facts are available, like you stated already. It’s much easier to label those who don’t agree with you than to engage in mature sensible debate.

  • Common man

    From what I’ve read you are the only one making wild assumptions. Martin Luther King’s assassination has already been ruled a conspiracy involving the US Government by a civil trial in Memphis, Tennessee in 1999 and as for John F. Kennedy you’d have to be, well, you not to believe that could have been foul play by some of those in power at the time. You have your opinion and that is fine however that’s all it is when you ignore clear facts with your sound bite like comments.

  • Fiberton

    Funny you say that. When you compare the 1929 chart and previous years leading up to it the 2014 going back to 2012 is exactly the same. If we are too crash the Dow and Russell are in line to fall after the finish of the 3 peaks and a dome house chart. Just like 1929 and 1987 and 2014 . The Dow should fail if it continues on in less than 2 weeks. Hold on to your ass. http://www.businessinsider.com/1929-stock-market-crash-chart-is-garbage-2014-2

  • anchorite

    You are so far out of line you can’t even see the line. You don’t even know the line is there. You’ve just quite blatantly done everything you accuse me of: you’ve asked me to prove a negative, you’ve made ridiculous extraordinary claims, and you’ve somehow got the impression I give a carp when it is you who who seems to want to blow the lid off something. I’m perfectly happy with the conclusions of all the coroners and police you seem to think are working for the Illuminati and have been bought off. I’d say you have your work cut out for you if you.

  • anchorite

    Would you like to actually know what that phrase means?

  • anchorite

    Well they’d love you then. I haven’t made any opinions. I’ve simply repeated what the article said. You somehow don’t see yourself accusing space aliens of killing 8 int’l bankers, which they aren’t, BTW, as the status quo? Yeah.

  • ashley

    I think you may have exaggerated. the boy received one round to the head.

    “The weapon was loaded and ready to fire,” Westfield police Lt. Hipolito Nunez said. “The 8-year-old victim had the Uzi and as he was firing the weapon, the front end of the weapon went up with the backfire and he ended up receiving a round in his head.”

    foxnews.com/story/2008/10/27/boy-8-shoots-self-with-uzi-at-gun-show/

  • SMH

    You wont convince anyone that there is no need for alarm in this situation. Ever.

  • SMH

    Looooool. Bet.
    Your education has failed you.

  • anchorite

    No, I don’t work in forensics anymore. But you sound like you should work for the police. You seem to see bad guys everywhere.

  • anchorite

    I think you’ve got it backwards. YOU are trying to convince ME. You are the one saying there’s been crimes committed, and I’m not convinced.

  • anchorite

    And juries failed to be swayed by your fact packed arguments like “looooool. Bet. Your education has failed you.” Hmm, I wonder why.

  • anchorite

    You seem to forget that a criminal investigation into the JFK assassination was undertaken, including a commission headed by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the US, all of your compelling evidence was already presented, and they decided it wasn’t enough to conclude the was more than one shooter. Have you read the Warren Commission report? If you are going to dismiss its conclusions you should at least read it from cover to cover.

  • anchorite

    An arbitrary number of people in an arbitrarily chosen time period. You know eight people die every day in my city. And half of them are women! Should I conclude there is a serial killer on the loose? You know, no details have been released in any of their cases, in fact the media didn’t even report on them as much as these bankers, I had to dig through the obituaries to find that little coverup. In some cases, the coroners ruled them suicides, but refused to give a detailed explanation of why, and the records are sealed! If they are trying to cover up their little coverup, they’re sure doing a bad job of acting normal about it by not having a big classroom convention where they take us through the final moments of each one and proving to us they weren’t murders.

  • SMH

    Im not persuading a jury of anything period. In fact, I never said anything about proving anything to anybody. Youre the only jerk here screaming “Proof”, and you come out with stupid examples that dont fit this at all. What else can people do but laugh at you when you constantly run your mouth and sound stupid?

  • SMH

    No, simpleton. Haha, I am not tryna convince you of anything. I just think youre an idiot if you see no cause for alarm….and youre projecting the burden of proof onto every one else when you are quite unreasonable.

  • Lucid Chaos

    1. Where did I ask you to prove a negative? Show exactly where I did. That’s my new challenge, since you say I was quite blatant in asking you to do so. Challenging you to find six or seven top bankers (or executives in any profession) who ‘committed suicide’ within a month of one another isn’t even remotely asking you to prove a negative. Especially when you hold that there is nothing unusual about it.

    2. Which “ridiculous extraordinary claims” are those? Point them out. Actual quotations please. Everything I posted about the assassination is verifiable fact and I can provide references for anything you doubt.

    3. I don’t “have the impression” that you care about any of this. I responded to you with my disagreement to your original comment with a challenge to substantiate your argument that such a string of deaths is ordinary by simply reproducing another example of one. Thus far you haven’t done so. It isn’t any of my concern whether or not you believe the authorities.

  • Lucid Chaos

    I have to say I’m a little taken aback. After contesting your point about the assassinations with information about the membership of the Warren Commission and the major conflict of interest concerning its most influential member, you are now telling me that I have forgotten about the panel’s very existence. You also seem to be appealing to the authority of Chief Justice Earl Warren, who, as I mentioned before, was one of the prime movers behind the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.

    As a matter of fact, I have read the Warren Report. And no, “all of my compelling evidence” was not presented. There is so much wrong with that statement that I’m finding it difficult to even find where I should begin. I’m not insulting you, but if you’re planning to become a part of the very small community of online Warren apologists, you should bring yourself up to speed with the hundreds of thousands of revelations since they closed the books on the case. Those include the investigations conducted by the New Orleans District Attorney’s Office in the sixties, the House Select Committee on Assassinations and the Church Committee of the seventies, and the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB), created in 1996. They collectively represent an enormous body of new information about the case.

    I can show you a seemingly endless list of instances in which the Warren Report failed to follow up promising leads and covered up glaring holes in the official narrative.

    Allen Dulles (and you really should give a careful read to my posts about him – do those coincidences look meaningless?) actually told the other members of the Commission at the very beginning of the investigation that political assassinations are most often carried out by mentally disturbed loners. The FBI had internally concluded that the public must be convinced of this narrative not long after the president’s blood had been spilled.

    The authorities, including members of the Warren Panel, began with the conclusion. That isn’t how problems are supposed to be solved, and it’s why their investigation has received such harsh criticism from people with widely varying beliefs about exactly what took place in Dallas that day.

  • Gajonka

    no big deal. these guys all have theor own personal issues 0 life is about making bets- for every winner, thetre is a loser. this is no fairy tale. must be fun flying through the air like a bird… if only for a few seconds.

  • anchorite

    You’re right, the Warren Commission only addressed real evidence not things that never had any evidence to begin with. Pointed phrases like, “No details were ever released” and “the coroner ruled it a suicide” said with eye rolling do not make anything sound suspicious. Bugliosi addressed all of those in his more recent book, but I think it was a waste of time, since nobody had ever put forth any serious evidence that things like the mafia had anything to do with it begin with.

  • Lucid Chaos

    How exactly did you come to the conclusion that the Warren Commission “only addressed real evidence,” and that the investigations conducted in the late sixties (New Orleans District Attorney’s Office), the late seventies (House Select Committee on Assassinations), and the nineties (Assassinations Records Review Board) had no value?

    You asked me to read the Warren Report “cover to cover,” and I told you I did. How much of the documentary evidence and testimony covered by the three investigations that I mentioned have you examined?

    Vincent Bugliosi’s book was filled with gaping holes and outright distortions. A detailed, nine-part review of it can be found here:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20101005074610/http://ctka.net/2008/bugliosi_review.html

    Furthermore, those phrases are simply true. In many cases, coroners would “rule it a suicide” when that verdict was in question. Hank Killam, for example. And the reason why such loaded terms are so common in assassination literature is not, as Bugliosi suggests, because we’re all “cranks.” It is because a great number of witnesses have spoken of intimidation, death threats, and murder attempts. For example, take the case of Warren Reynolds, who was a witness to the shooting of Officer J.D. Tippit and initially could not identify Oswald as the killer. This changed by the time he testified before the Warren Commission. The problem? In the interval between his contact with the FBI and with the Warren Commission, he was subjected to a brutal harassment campaign. The lights on his porch were unscrewed and there was an attempt to kidnap his daughter. Like Veciana, he survived a fatal shooting. After he testified to the Warren Commission that he did indeed see Oswald, he remarked: “I don’t think they’re going to bother me any more,”

    You should be able to understand that, given these circumstances, it is perfectly rational to be suspicious of the unusually high number of violent, untimely deaths that surround the assassination.

    To say that no serious evidence of CIA involvement has ever surfaced is, I must say, blatant misinformation. Did you read what I wrote about Antonio Veciana’s identification of “Maurice Bishop” as David Atlee Phillips? Evidence implicating Phillips in a conspiracy came from a multitude of independent sources, including his own family.

    Even taking that very solid connection out of the picture, the undeniable fact in 2014 is that Lee Harvey Oswald was no further than a single degree of separation from the CIA for virtually the entirety of his life. How could that be a coincidence?

    And what of Rose Cheramie, an employee of Jack Ruby who warned a police officer and a number of hospital employees that there was a plot to kill the president in motion days before it happened? She had been traveling with two men named “Osanto” and “Sergio,” who were planning to carry out a heroin deal. They had stopped at the Silver Slipper and she was abandoned by them after a heated argument. She frantically told anyone who would listen that the men were involved in a conspiracy to kill the president. Lt. Francis Fruge of the state police investigated her story after the assassination and was able to verify every minute detail about the drug deal. He told the Dallas Police that he had an extremely valuable witness for their investigation into the assassination and they refused to even speak to her.

    The District Attorney of New Orleans sent investigators to the Silver Slipper, where the bar owner was interviewed about the men who had been with Cheramie. Without knowing the names she attributed to them, he identified them as Sergio Arcacha Smith and Emilio Santana, two violent Cuban exiles. Santana frequently used the nickname “Osanto.” Solid documentary evidence shows that Santana was working for the covert operations division of the CIA and that Smith had extensive CIA connections.

    Unless there was a motiveless conspiracy involving Cheramie, Lt. Fruge, the bar owner (Mac Manual), and doctors at East Louisiana State Hospital, we can conclude that Smith and Santana were up to no good. And the evidence implicating Smith doesn’t end there.

  • bewisetoday

    Thank you!

  • Mary Finn

    I think it’s the “Suicides of 1929,” the sequel. My mom used to tell me that everyone who jumped out windows during the 1929 Crash had plenty of money.