Proof: Massive snowstorm yields ‘fake snow’ signifying false flag weather manipulation or massive social experiment

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‘Massive chemtrail’ operations found to be dumping ‘fake snow’ over Atlanta and parts of West Virginia, may signify a false flag attack on the populace

By Shepard Ambellas

(INTELLIHUB) — Stop the press! A recent snowstorm that blanked Atlanta and parts of Virginia sending thousands of residents into turmoil, causing nearly the entire city to come to a standstill, may have been a false flag operation or beta test carried out by diabolic factions of the U.S. government.

While the motive is not yet fully known, one thing is for sure, havoc has ensued and something is just not sitting right with people in the region.

KTLA5 reported:

Rebekah Cole left work Tuesday afternoon and was still sitting in traffic 10 hours later — at 1 a.m. Wednesday. She said she hoped her car wouldn’t run out of fuel as she prepared to spend the night in it.

She described what she had seen as a “zombie movie” — droves of people got out of their cars and were having conversations.

In the dead of night, they talked and walked between cars covered in white powder.

But what if that powder was made of a synthetic material?

The Proof

How many times have you seen snow in your life?

I am guessing that everyone reading this likely has seen and handled snow at one time or another. I mean, anyone that has handled snow knows that it melts as it is simply made of water.

Shockingly, after “massive chemtrail” sightings over the state of Georgia and parts of West Virginia over the last few days, residents are becoming wiser–nonetheless the government and mainstream media remains silent.

Response by Atlanta city officials including the mayor have been limited, blaming the storm on a “faulty weather forecast”.

Concerned citizens and experts alike have been left to wonder how such a big city can be caught off guard by a snowstorm.

It is also important to point out that mainstream media rhetoric has become extremely unusual regarding the weather in Atlanta over the past 24 hours.

A Call To Action

While the true intent of this operation, likely militarized, is currently unknown, it begs for a few good questions. I mean, why would the military want to demobilize the city of Atlanta for days? If they did, what would be the purpose? Interestingly, a few things actually come to mind. So if you are in the area please contact us with your reports as Intellihub News is an open source portal for suppressed information.

A few areas worth investigating are:

  1. The Center for Disease Control (CDC), based in Atlanta
  2. Preparations for martial law based on a known future event to take place soon
  3. Prepositioning of military forces

Right now we are looking for boots on the ground reports out of Atlanta, to help aid our investigation into this matter.

Video Evidence

Many other videos proving something is wrong have been posted as well.

Updates:

2:50pm EST: The mayor of Atlanta stated in a press conference that the city was caught off guard. However, he keeps speaking rather cryptically, using odd terminology, alluding to the fact that military personnel will be present and future preparations may be necessary. A State of Emergency has been declared.

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  • Douglas Hotchkiss

    I woke up to this story all over, not sure what to think so far..

  • Jake Ford

    im seeing a new video every 10 or 15 minutes. it seems wierd to me that the snowballs dont drip at all. the residue could be from the butane, but it would at least drip. i grew up in Alaska, i know what happens to snow when fire is involved.

  • tommy dturkey

    It’s just snow!

  • Debby Ward

    Ive been saying this for the past two years…no one listens..I have watched the planes spray for 2 days straight, and then we get the bad weather of some sort. Pay attention to what goes on around you. So what if someone says you are crazy..at least YOU know whats going on. I have so many damned pictures of these things happening, its crazy.

  • ubmediagroup

    It is defiantly not normal that you can take a blowtorch to snow and it not melt-also plastic smell! Holy shit!

  • Mr.Mike

    You know what. I thought these people were trying to pull a fast one. So I live here in Ohio (central part) went out side cuz they chemtrail the shit out of us. I grabbed a hand full of snow in my bare hand. What is in my hand is melting, but what I put the lighter does not melt and turns black and smells like plastic burning. What in the hell are they spraying into our atmosphere?

  • Mr.Mike

    Ok I guess I had to verify my e-mail address before my post would count. I thought that this was a crock of BS. I live here in central Ohio. They chemtrail the crap out of us here. So I wet outside got some snow. What was in my bare hands was melting as it should. But what I put the lighter to would not melt and turned black. So I smelled the burned not melting end and it smells like burning plastic. WOW. Can you believe this? What are they doing to our planet?

  • Miranda

    But how can you say that when the ‘snow’ turns black and doesn’t melt? Of course, it should be snow because it has fallen on the ground and has, at first glance, the appearance of snow, but clearly snow should also melt. Can you justify your assertion that it is snow or your reasons for not believing the evidence shown in the videos?

  • David Anderson

    The military first initiated the “chemical aersol spraying operations” back in the 90′s with their first projects, Operation Red Skye and Project Cloverleaf. Please look up the information with these key words on a search engine. You will find that the pilots of the commercial aircraft who were debriefed as to what these projects were about, were actually told they did not need to know, as the information was on a ‘need to know’ basis. You can blame the military for installing and issuing the aerosol readied chemical spraying programs. As to comprises the chemical components of these sprays, that is a whole another story.

  • Michael Kahnke

    Hand-compacted snow is a great non-combustible insulator. The black soot is butane hydrocarbon residue from the bic lighters, and it stinks. The snow ‘shrinks’ back from the flame like styrofoam as it condenses and accumulates moisture. The mass of the snowball gets heavier and absorbs the moisture into itself giving the impression that it isn’t melting. I support chemtrail whistleblowers, but this is largely silly.

  • Pk Mitchell

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  • Michael Motyka

    P.S. DON’T EAT THE SNOW… EVEN IF IT’S NOT YELLOW…

  • Sheri

    People have died and over 100 have been injured due to this “fake snow” in Georgia. This could have been seeded with a flu virus.

  • Some Guy

    Wut teh even man. Goan get snow tonite, will let u all no~

  • nebulaboy

    I’ve been able to replicate these exact same results with “snow” collected from my freezer. This author’s conclusions are a classic example of confirmation bias. Rather than using this “experiment” to actually learn something, they used it to fit in with their foregone conclusions. A true scientific approach to this “puzzle” would involve multiple hypotheses, controlled experiments, chemical analyses and repeatable results. None of that shows up here. Eventually the correct explanation would be revealed.

    Contrary to the author’s presumption that naturally occurring snow is “pure”, snow is made of ice crystals. In order for the crystal to form, water droplets first coalesce around a nucleus (usually a piece of dust or pollen in the air).

    The author seems to posit that a huge snowstorm in Atlanta *must* be a part of some subterfuge on the part of “The Government”, however this it not the first time that has happened — and probably not the last. Just because something is rare, why does that have to mean that it is part of some deliberate malevolence? Lots of “conclusions” but little more.

    I’ll concede to the author’s conclusions, if this “special” snow manages to remain around come July when it hits 90 F.

  • nebulaboy

    http://science.wonderhowto.com/how-to/make-fireballs-you-can-hold-your-hand-110568/

    In this video, a person is able to hold burning fire in their hands. It appears impossible, and most people with common sense would say that it’s not possible.

    If the author’s assertion — that the snow is somehow engineered not to melt as demonstrated by the video — then it is logical to imagine this snow lingering for a very long time — maybe til July? And if it finally did “melt”, then its runoff would end up in the water and plants and trees, in large, very detectable quantities. If there is some nefarious, clandestine plan, it’s a very poorly conceived one. They managed to get into my freezer too! (I managed to replicate the same results as demonstrated using “snow” from my freezer.)

  • bill
  • johnny

    Try putting it in a pot on medium or low on the stove top… simple as that… Hard packed snow reabsorbs the moisture from the lighter quite effectively… the torch as well… while plenty turns to gas immediately from the higher heat of the torch… Just sensationalism trying to get youtube views … if you post a time lapse video of a this on a stove top like I said… and it produces no water I will agree that something is weird… otherwise its probably easily explained….

  • unFrickingBelievable

    they will do this to shut down cities when the revolution begins

  • Justice Reports

    THERE IS NO FAKE SNOW. If you put a lighter to it, it will melt and be absorbed by the other snow, making heavier, wetter snow.

    Put some in a bowl at room temp. Wait for it to melt. Is it water? Case closed.

  • Angi Bryan

    It’s called sublimation …I live in Georgia..so, went out and grabbed a handful of snow and tried to melt it with a lighter.. snow is much less concentrated than a cube of ice so the molecules vaporize in the flame rather than drip.. I took the experiment a step further and put the handful of snow in a glass and let it melt naturally at room temperature.. I now have half a glass of water. http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/16438279-fake-snow-in-the-south-its-called-sublimation

  • Schawminator

    Do Black people think other Black people in government are trying to kill Black people? Not in this case , but yes the government will however create a problem to correct it to get out the vote..

  • KT

    I think this site has been hacked by the onion…

  • snow

    WATCH MY VIDEOS. FAKE SNOW.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B-MQ6KSpIA

  • Bronson Fischer

    That is exactly what was going through my head Michael….the snow flakes will soak up the excess moisture to a point…hasnt anyone made snowballs from wet snow and wrung water out of it like a sponge? Pretty sure the snow will melt after a little bit. No need to be alarmed……the government can lay down the iron fist without snow if they want to….

  • please shut the hell up
  • Elvis

    Mine melts like crazy and I’m from Atlanta.

  • Brian Klippel

    You can’t even spell “definitely”, but you understand this quasi-science experiment? I stand defiantly against your opinion.

  • Brian Klippel

    Where’s my tin foil hat? OMG! THE GOVERNMENT TOOK IT!

  • Brian Klippel

    I live in Atlanta. This snow storm is by and large no different than those I have seen every few years over the past 20 years. Yes 20 years ago, the snow was dry and wouldn’t pack. It’s because the snow formed at lower temperatures (teens) and results in “dry” snow, so called because the flakes are smaller and less likely to bond with each other. We have this awesome technology these days people call GOOGLE. Look something up, read a book. Science is really cool, but if you don’t understand it charlatans will use it against you. The snow in my front yard melts exactly as expected when a normal lighter is placed under it so that the heat rises and performs as physics describes. Blasting a heavy flame full of hydrocarbons directly onto the resulting ice is a different chemical experiment. It’s physics when the experiment is matter and energy/temperature. It’s chemistry when the experiment is multiple molecules forced into combination under the duress of temperature. This video is quasi-science tomfoolery.

  • Louie

    I just don’t see it.

  • kritikosman

    Warning,…..Danger Will Robinson!

  • SteamingpileofObama

    Im not sure who is more stupid, chem trail idiots or 9/11 twoofers.

  • SteamingpileofObama

    Yes, because it is so much easier to shut down a city with fake snow than declaring Marshall Law.

  • SteamingpileofObama

    Come now…..yellow snow is nummy…tastes like lemonade.

  • Nicholas Aranda

    I don’t care WHAT temperature the snow was made at, if you put a fucking torch to it, there WILL be water, even this “dry snow” you speak of will produce water BECAUSE THATS WHAT SNOW IS!!! Check the last video in this blog post brother. Then google HAARP and Project Bluebeam.

  • PamelaHaley

    Put the snow into a cup and watch it melt. It’s called evaporation conspiratards.

  • Bill Nye

    Who gives a fuck about science?

  • Ki-k Daking

    You seem like the person who would be completely awestruck if the government did anything to hurt you.

  • adam

    WOW!!! DID ANYONE SEE THE ICE CUBE MELT INTO WATER WHEN HEAT WAS APPLIED?!! IVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN MY LIFE……..idiots

  • Michelle Province

    Real snow comparison… http://youtu.be/A8G9ZYsID9U

  • Jame Sta
  • Alexander Ander

    Atleast 9/11 makes sense on some level with out purely depending appeals to ignorance.

  • David Sims

    Wrong. The snow on the ground from Atlanta to West Virginia is real snow, and it melts into ordinary water. Snow does not melt quickly in a flame because of the latent heat of formation: 80 calories per gram of snow is used simply to make the phase change into water. The black stuff that appears on the snow is the adhesion of carbon from the incomplete combustion of butane or propane. My brother lives in Atlanta, and the snow there is ordinary snow. I live in West Virginia, and the snow here is ordinary snow. Someone is trying to pull a hoax and see how many fools he can make out of people.

  • David Sims

    The chemtrail conspiracy theory is false. The 9/11 “inside job” conspiracy theory is true. A conspiracy theory is a set of statements that amount to an accusation against the world’s rulers. Sometimes the accusation is true. Sometimes it isn’t. When trying to separate the truth from the hoaxes, there is no substitute for real knowledge.

    People are right to SUSPECT something like chemtrails, because that’s the sort of thing the government might do to citizens eventually, but the alarm over chemtrails is premature and all allegations of chemtrails to date are falsehoods. Also, the amount of radiation within the United States from Fukushima isn’t that high, and other hoaxers are exaggerating it for trolling thrills.

    But the stupidest of the false conspiracy theories is the one about HAARP, an atmosphere research station, having a ray-gun with enough power to cause typhoons. Anybody with any sense at all knows that there is no such ray-gun because all the nuclear bombs on Earth MIGHT be enough to get ONE major typhoon started. Maybe.

  • Not of this World

    You are the very definition of “normalcy bias”. Frost is a form of deposition and requires a surface (on the ground or inside of a freezer) to form its ice crystals. Snow can only form in clouds – the ice crystals grow around condensation nuclei and then fall to the ground in flakes. That means your freezer doesn’t make “snow”, ergo, everything you state after that is bunk. Are you going to deny that there is no such thing as “cloud seeding”? I’ll help you. There is 3 types of cloud seeding; static cloud seeding, dynamic cloud seeding and hygroscopic cloud seeding. Weather modification isn’t theory, it’s very real, and used in many countries, such as China during the last summer Olympics. Just because you don’t understand, you shouldn’t automatically put something down. Do you deny the government program “MK Ultra”? smh

  • ufopro

    When you put a lighter to it, did it get charred black???

  • Not of this World

    It’s STILL physics when the “experiment is multiple molecules forced into combination under the duress of temperature.”

    Melting ice is a physical change. Ice is simply frozen water. Once it melts, it returns to water. Chemicals are not involved in the process, therefore it can’t be a chemical change. This is true even when you USE chemicals or compounds, such as salt; Salts dissolves in water (ice) lowering the freezing temperature, making them useful for melting snow and ice.
    I’d suggest you brush up on Bill Nye’s youtube channel. smh

  • NietZsky Alsoknownas Gibb

    I’m not convinced as well, and snow from the freezer does have the same result. My conclusion was that there was definite evidence of pollution and perhaps the blackness is (black?) carbon soot, but declaring it fake is an overreach at the present (though I do not deny the possibility of such). In this instance, I’m merely applying Occam’s razor.

  • karenprayerwarrior

    debby you may be right , here in Oklahoma they have been spraying stuff here , and when I go out side I keep smelling something chemical , no I’m not crazy , I’m not the only one been smelling it , so have my neighbors that I have been talking to as well . I have a friend in Califorina that she has been posting pics of airplanes spraying stuff from the sky , and no we both don’t live out in the country where there is crop dusting .

  • Backyard Boogie

    It does melt… Do a little research… There are multiple people debunking this stupid urban legend on youtube and other sites.

    https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-fake-snow-burning-snow.3026/

  • Backyard Boogie

    NOTHING! The “burning plastic” you smell is the burning of the black soot that the butane leaves behind. The snow is melting, but the snow around it is absorbing most of the water and, of course, the soot. The same soot left behind if you hold a lighter to any non-flammable surface (like a piece of glass).

  • Dd

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    or
    Geoengineering Whistleblower ~ Ex-Military ~ Kristen Meghan, Hauppauge, NY, January 18th, 2014
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  • Dd

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    or
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  • Dd

    I think you need to watch and share this very important information:

    http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=AEF1F19C4AB1D064ECFDF66B39DFA1FA

    or
    Geoengineering Whistleblower ~ Ex-Military ~ Kristen Meghan, Hauppauge, NY, January 18th, 2014
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHm0XhtDyZA

  • http://alexanderose.com/ Alexander Rose

    That would never happen because it would be too obvious.

  • Brian Klippel

    I don’t know what this crack pot is doctoring in the video. The snow in my yard melted just fine with a lighter underneath it. As far as dry snow, I was referring to its ability to pack (like a snow ball), not melt.

  • Douglas Hotchkiss

    it’s obvious to me they been laying the chemtrails on thick, so if a blast of arctic air iced them and they got blown around, seems plausible to my simple mind. methane pools open up in the arctic and swept down here, maybe with chinese pollution, – it just seems too many got stirred up by this all of a sudden and that itself seems odd.

  • North Carolinian

    Is this supposed to be a joke? I was hit by the same storm. And it’s snow. It’s not just sitting there in big piles of plastic as the sun has come out today. It melts. It is made of H2O in it’s solid state.

  • Bullshot Bill

    Anyone who believes this is a moron.

  • Lavoisier

    Declaring “Marshall Law”? I that when a low-end TJ Maxx takes over the town?

  • Dnalor Ettam

    https://www.facebook.com/Dnalor.Rocks/posts/10152574271644008

    Angi- there is more to this…allow the snow you sampled to sit for a day and let time and gravity separate the solids…..I agree the lighter approach is flawed but there is something in this shit I would not want in my body.

  • Anya

    The problem in Atlanta wasn’t the snow, you dimwit. It was the ICE on the roads. Ice that the state and local government in the Atlanta area didn’t prepare for since they didn’t treat the roads in advance and they didn’t take it seriously until it was too late.

  • imying72

    Personally I think anyone who DOESN’T question it or perform experiments to prove otherwise.. is the true moron.. Guess that means you mister “I’ll take everything at face value” Bill

  • imying72

    Oh.. well I guess that settles it then.. because your Brother lives in Atlanta.. well that OBVIOUSLY proves it’s real snow… you sir are an idiot.

  • imying72

    you are the idiot for not understanding the point of the experiment

  • Nyarlathotep

    nonsense

  • Nyarlathotep

    Because you can trust anything posted on facebook.

  • Nyarlathotep

    Just goes to show that some people will believe in anything.

  • AntiLimbaugh

    As a pilot I’m highly skeptical of this. Combustion of Jet A creates water vapor as a byproduct. In the right atmospheric conditions that water vapor condenses when leaving the last turbine stage. Hence a “contrail”.

  • Nyarlathotep

    How dare you try and shatter peoples delusions with logic and reason.

  • AntiLimbaugh

    Glad you remembered the 80 calorie number.

  • imying72

    Alot of people are saying the plastic smell is from the lighter.. if thats the case.. hold a lighter (a safe distance away) and smell the flame.. no plastic smell? go figure.. so there goes that explanation. I was a smoker for 20 years.. used ALL types of lighters.. and I’ve NEVER smelled anything like that coming out of ANY of my lighters

  • Guest

    Hogwash.

  • Nyarlathotep

    Of course you are not going to smell anything, you were a smoker for 20 years.

  • Pitabred

    It’s possible that snow taken from outside in a metro area is, in fact, polluted, and that could contribute to the plastic smell when that is subsequently burned.

    Furthermore, the snow is melting perfectly normally. Snow is not ice, it has very large pockets of air in it, unlike her ice cube. Air is an insulator, so the heat doesn’t transfer well. Her video is just a very good example of why an igloo works.

  • Nyarlathotep
  • Bullshot Bill

    Nope, still going with “You are a fucking moron.”

  • Nyarlathotep

    He just proved your point. :)

  • Bullshot Bill

    Yep. Just like “Operation Dave’s a fucking nut job.”

    Look it up.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Brian Kippel is a paid shill, he started his account today in order to spread false info. matter has 3 states, solid, liquid, and gas, water only goes from gas (water vapor) to solid under extreme pressure – vacuum freeze drying, When it’s heated it produces water the only other example of the reverse is evaporation . Science is cool, something you should learn about. In all other cases it must have its intermediate state water, dumb a s s. This is not snow, this is not ice on a window pane which evaporates this is a snowball dip s h i t.. Sublimation only occurs when it is far too cold to melt. It begins at 15 degrees Fahrenheit , The loss of snow from a snowfield during a coldspell or iceberg is caused by sunshine acting directly on the upper layers of the snow in extremely low humidity. It definitely does not occur when you hold a lighter to a snowball or when you take snow into a warm house and light it. Snow should melt when held to a flame or its not snow. End of story. Chem trails are real, weather modification is real. Shill

    Also soot, 2 C4H10 + 13 O2 → 8 CO2 + 10 H2O I don’t see Carbon do you. That is the chemical formula of butane ignition. Bic uses high quality butane, No I dont thinks so. The soot is from as yet unburnt particulates in the snow. You will contemplate this on the Tree of Woe!

  • Guest

    Matter has 3 states, solid, liquid, and gas, water
    only goes from gas (water vapor) to solid under extreme pressure –
    vacuum freeze drying, When it’s heated it produces water the only other
    example of the reverse is evaporation . Science is cool, something you
    should learn about. In all other cases it must have its intermediate
    state water, dumb a s s. This is not snow, this is not ice on a window
    pane which evaporates this is a snowball dip s h i t…

  • Brian Klippel

    Your reading comprehension is very poor. This snow does melt and become water, I see it draining down the street right now, and even put a lighter to some from my front yard, which also became water. Snow is also not generally pure. It contains atmospheric particulates, in fact those particulates tend to become a nucleus. If you were educated, you’d also know that snow and ice can easily phase transition directly from solid to gas. It’s called sublimation. Look it up. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sublimation&l=1 How many people really want to take the word of someone who comes right out screaming shill and calling names? Great debating skills, devolving directly to an ad hominem fallacy.

  • Guest

    Butane doesn’t leave soot.

  • Brian Klippel

    The tin foil hats here will never listen to reason. They will just verbally abuse you and consider it a won argument. I theorize that the hats are on too tight, restricting blood flow to the brain.

  • Thulsa Doom

    No it doesn’t easily transition , I know of nothing that goes from
    ice to water vapor except window pane ice and icebergs which which do
    so over months and being exposed to direct sunlight and when it is far
    too cold to melt . Also she is using butane which would not leave soot
    on ice, it is a clear burning gas, there are substances in the snow
    burning God you are a dumb a s s

  • Thulsa Doom

    Sublimation only occurs at temperatures far too cold to melt, ie iceberg exposed to sun in 15 degree temps, sublimation begins at 15 degrees and in dry weather, , the shills are out today. There should be no soot on the ice ball,as butane is a clear burning fuel. The soot is the burning particulates within the fake ice probably plastic.

  • Brian Klippel

    You clearly flunked chemistry and never took physics. Sublimation doesn’t discriminate upon where frozen water has taken residence. If there’s wind it will happen. Of course there are substances in the snow, watch a video about how snow occurs. If you don’t think there’s plenty of pollution in the atmosphere over Atlanta you need to come out from under your rock or grandmothers basement.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Sublimation can only occur at temperatures below freezing, ie. ice bergs exposed to frigid arctic temps yet in direct sunlight but if you take a blow torch to that iceberg, it melts. So when you bring that iceball in , guess what, it should melt.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Sublimation can only occur on Earth at temps below freezing (not at freezing or near, most often occurs at temps below 15 degrees Fahrenheit and in exceedingly dry conditions) or when pressure has been artificially lowered. Matter has 3 states solid,liquid, gas. Even a microgram of water ice will turn to liquid then vaporize when exposed to flame. Brian Kippel is a paid shill who started his account today. There are many of the quasi scientists who know nothing of what they speak of today. We are all waking up.

    2 C4H10 + 13 O2 → 8 CO2 + 10 H2O this chemical process occurs when you ignite butane- do you see carbon? Nope.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Sublimation does not occur on earth at temperatures above freezing shill, there are only 2 maybe 3 examples in nature that I can think of: window pane ice, snow on a 0 degree day, ice bergs when they are floating in sub freezing temperatures exposed to direct sunlight. So tell me shill ,why it wouldn’t melt when brought inside when these subfreezing conditions are eliminated. This is not dry ice it’s supposedly water ice.. Why is there soot when butane is a clean burning fuel, pollution doesn’t turn black because it is already particulated through heat exhaust? Come on shill.

  • dak

    Whoa fellas… the reason the snow isnt melting, is called “sublimation”. Its when water changes from a solid to a gas, bypassing the liquid stage.. it is a natural process…

    The chemical smell? Well thats butane.. from the cigarette lighters they are using… I dont think any of you smoke, but I do, and as such I have also played with lighters a lot… lol… when you keep a lighter lit… and hold it in a somewhat confined area.. like say… trying to melt a snowball… well not all of the butane burns… and since it is somewhat confined.. it will accumulate enough in the area that you can smell it…thus.. the chemical smell…

    Sorry folks.. as much as I love a good conspiracy… science wins this round.

    By the way.. our snow here will do the same if you try to melt it with a flame… but.. track it into the house… and it will turn into water….

  • Thulsa Doom

    Like you, butane wouldn’t leave soot on ice, sublimation only occurs at temperatures far below freezing so the ice should simply melt when brought inside. Icebergs in the arctic will sublimate because of frigid temps and being exposed to sunlight, no chance to turn to water, but you take a blow torch to that iceberg it melts. Same concept genius. Pollutants in the air are particulates released by combustion so they are already black, genius, so the snow should not be turning black. Brian Klippel is a shill, he just started his account today. A paid misinformant.

  • maxxxem

    Please!

  • Brian Klippel

    The freezing point of water is 32 degrees fahrenheit, and water (ice) does indeed sublimate at just below 32, where it has been here in Atlanta for the past few days. Go back to school, tin foil hat, or at least try googling something. All the snow that cam inside on my shoes melted nice and quick. You tin foil hats are pulling BS out of your poop chutes, literally inventing accusations that are not factual. The snow is melting. Even outdoors. The ice is melting. There’s water running down the street. Maybe the government cooked up some concoction that doesn’t melt under a torch but yet still melts in the sun, melts in contact with salt, melts in the shade now that it is over 32, and has sublimated during the night. Is that the really the postulation that you’re going with? Sounds nuts to me. I’m done giving this crack pot tin foil hat site any more page views.

  • Brian Klippel

    Oh, they “snowed” quite a few fools with the hoax.

  • Brian Klippel

    I did the experiment, except I put the flame under it, out of contact of the flame so that the combination of melting and combustion wouldn’t pull carbon out of the flame. The snow melted, and when enough of it melted that it wasn’t being absorbed by the very dry snow around it, the water started dripping. This charade in the video was designed to support the crack pot scenario. They intentionally ran the flame directly on the snow and cut the video before it backfired.

  • Brian Klippel

    It’s called a rigged experiment, and the crack pots are eating it up.

  • Brian Klippel

    Far below freezing? By far, you mean about 1 degree below 32 fahrenheit. I challenge everyone to look it up. A tin foil hat calling me a shill does not mean that i’m wrong, only that he’s pissed that I can accurately debunk the bunk science he believes in.

  • Bronson Fischer

    Lol yup exactly…amazing how a little misinformation can cause mass hysteria…..made a video response this morning……

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  • hobobobobo

    I’m really glad to see that scientific reasoning is getting up voted in the
    comments, while the self-proclaimed fake snow bunnies are not faring as
    well on that front.

    I also find it hilarious that the third
    video about upstate NY snow is showing the guy melt the snow in his room
    temperature stainless sink. I’m sure I can get the same results by NOT
    using the flame and just waiting a couple minutes.

  • Dan

    Actually sublimation occurs at below freezing temps, too. Make a tray of ice cubes and let them sit in your freezer for months, they will shrink. Where is that water going? It’s evaporating.

  • Bob

    This is proof of global warming. Mother nature has raised the temperature at which snow and ice form and melt in order to counteract global warming. What better explanation?

  • Thulsa Doom

    Not when brought inside and water ice does not sublimate a 32 degrees idiot, water sublimates at 374 degrees celsius if instantaneously brought from freezing state to gas state, or if ice take from a pressure of 8mbar then subjected 500bar instantaneously; ice sublimation occurs through the slow process of evaporation when exposed to sunlight and existence in subfreezing state. Because of the dipolar nature of water is very stable it will not sublimate at 32 degrees it has to be much colder,sublimation of water begins to occur at 15 degrees Fahrenheit, in very dry weather, shill. If you bring a chunk of snow indoors the sublimation process is halted as the water can now melt and would leave water droplets after a few seconds above freezing. you really need to learn science…shill. Blammo!

  • Thulsa Doom

    Sublimation begins at 15 degrees farenheit dumb s h i t and at low humidity. Snow and ice sublimate, although more slowly, below the melting point temperature.[1] In freeze-drying, the material to be dehydrated is frozen and its water is allowed to sublimate under reduced pressure or vacuum. The loss of snow from a snowfield during a cold spell is often caused by sunshine acting directly on the upper layers of the snow. Ablation is a process that includes sublimation and erosive wear of glacier ice.Snow and ice sublimate, although more slowly, below the melting point temperature. God you are dumb, sold your soul shill.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Brian Klippel=shill dumb s h i t

  • Thulsa Doom

    Sublimation begins at 15 degrees farenheit and at low
    humidity. Snow and ice sublimate, although more slowly, below the
    melting point temperature.[1] In freeze-drying, the material to be
    dehydrated is frozen and its water is allowed to sublimate under reduced
    pressure or vacuum. The loss of snow from a snowfield during a cold
    spell is often caused by sunshine acting directly on the upper layers of
    the snow. Ablation is a process that includes sublimation and erosive
    wear of glacier ice.Snow and ice sublimate, although more slowly, below
    the melting point temperature. When you bring it indoors the process of sublimation is halted and its not 15 degrees in atlanta with no humidity ergo this is not sublimation.

  • nebulaboy

    Not at all. The government is an assembly of bureaucracies. It hurts citizens all the time, and often not intentionally, through regulation, taxation and enforcement of same. In any large bureaucracy, having one-size-fits-all rules does hurt people from time to time — which can often be fixed through judicial review.

    What I am awestruck by, is confirmation bias. Shoehorning complex and implausible answers over simple questions is not helpful to the advancement of knowledge. If what the author claims is true, why am I able to get the exact same results using “snow” culled from my freezer?

    There’s enough harmful (and well-researched) stuff already in the air around our cities without having to have these outlandish schemes in place. Where’s the chemical analysis of the “mystery snow”? The article proves nothing.

  • Science Motherfuckers

    Holy shit. You guys are fucking retarded. http://imgur.com/2YeDA

  • nebulaboy

    Cite?

  • nebulaboy

    You are pretty much correct about the sublimation theory — it doesn’t properly explain what’s going on. But you are incorrect about the soot. Butane combustion can most certainly create soot. Try putting a butane flame close to a drinking glass, or any object for that matter. It will burn less efficiently and will leave a) soot and b) the smell of the unburnt fuel and combustion products.

    Another easy experiment that would disprove the author’s conclusion would be to put the suspect snow in a pot on the stove and see if any the alleged “particulates” emerge. Here is a video about butane combustions results and the conditions that lead to them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSgVGbi5dyY

  • http://digiscrapgeek.com/ carrie

    Has no one considered that perhaps the chemical and oil spills over the past year might have made it into the water that falls from the sky?

  • Wisconsinite

    Anyone want to take a stab at why the snow, here in Wisconsin, thousands of miles away from these “chem trails” and “oil spills”, still turns black when I put a lighter to it? Simple answer. You guys are gullible.

  • A non y mous

    Whoever is moderating this post is a FEAR MONGER. You are causing harm to Americans, you are NOT helping them by spreading this conspiracy theorist CRAP. The snow does the same thing here in Wisconsin.

  • DownVotesStillWorkOnBadPosts

    I don’t think you need to pay people to disagree with stupidity.

  • DownVotesStillWorkOnBadPosts

    LMAO. I thought this was a joke intended to mock the chemtrail crowd. People are taking this seriously? Jesus Christ. If the government is using weather control to kill its’ own citizens, guess what? They’ll use it to actually kill us en masse, not dick around for decades like you idiots seem to think they’re doing.

  • Alexander Ander

    This isn’t from chem trails, it’s called sublimation. Things can go from a solid to a gas, skipping the liquid form. Think of dry ice which goes easily from solid to vapor. Hang up a wet shirt outside, it will freeze, but the ice crystals will eventually go away and the shirt will be dry.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Sublimation begins at 15 degrees farenheit and at low
    humidity. Snow and ice sublimate, although more slowly, below the
    melting point temperature.In freeze-drying, the material to be
    dehydrated is frozen and its water is allowed to sublimate under reduced
    pressure or vacuum. The loss of snow from a snowfield during a cold
    spell is often caused by sunshine acting directly on the upper layers of
    the snow. Ablation is a process that includes sublimation and erosive
    wear of glacier ice.Snow and ice sublimate, although more slowly, below
    the
    melting point temperature. When you bring it indoors the process of
    sublimation is halted and its not 15 degrees in atlanta with no humidity
    ergo this is not sublimation. Ah shills you are soooooo stupid

  • David Sims

    I talk to my brother on Facebook. I had him check the snow there. It melts into water. And that DOES prove it is real snow.

  • Thulsa Doom

    except when you hold a lighter to ice it leaves no carbon deposits

  • Jason l

    its no use arguing with a scientifically illiterate retard like thulsa doom. seriously, the fact that he believes the gov’t pays you to argue with him should be reason enough to suspect this. He’s got no job, no friends and no life, he sits at home all day waiting for replies to his threads so he can argue with someone and try to make himself sound smart, and inevitably fail.

  • A nan i moos

    Unburnt butane does.

  • Sid

    the drips evaporate before they can fall, the black is from the butane. fucking come on people.

  • Mia003

    What are they trying to do? Hurt us with fake snow everywhere? lol. Did they drop it from the sky because I saw it falling out of sky everywhere for hours!..lol Just because he proved your little stupid theory wrong doesn’t mean you have to attack him and and ignore what he said because you know he is right. Lets see if this “fake” snow they dropped out of the sky for years melt anytime soon

  • Mia003

    Haha. It’s very easy..isn’t it? There are a lot of fools out there

  • Mia003

    You’re the idiot you gullible fool. You can’t be serious? Just admit when you were wrong and an idiot don’t keep being idiot

  • Jennifer Andrews

    Haha lol…Brian Klippel notice how none of the people disagreeing with you wrote back? Because they know your right..priceless lol!

  • Jennifer Andrews

    Some of you people are on crack!

  • Thulsa Doom

    yeah on crack, videos from all over the southern United States, o o o o o o k cool guy.

  • Thulsa Doom

    First we have newscasters and weathermen lying about the process of how sublimation works now they are trying a different vector… it melts, not with a blowtorch though. No, this about how sh** is going to hit the fan soon. It actually hit 36 degrees at the north pole. It is on average 20 degrees warmer this year in the arctic as a whole. how f**ked are we,,,,very. Planet f**k you is coming soon. I think they should just come clean. This obviously ain’t snow and I think the chem trails are geo engineering on the cheap. if that is their intended purpose, they probably have multiple purposes. We need massive global geo engineering projects i.e. the capturing of methane out-gassing of the ESAS, 5000 gt, 10 times the emissions all of humanity has ever produced. If we can capture it, a near limitless resource.

  • Jennifer Andrews

    It’s fake….come on…just stop with this BS…so dumb look at global warming…and it’s REALLY sad your watching this ‘news story’.. I’m so done with this ‘news’ your all gullible! G L O B A L – W A R M I N G…

  • Thulsa Doom

    Just look at the East Siberian Arctic Shelf, it is pouring out methane, there has been a 3 fold rise in CH4 in just 10 years, we are nearing the methane levels of the Permian Triassic extinction. Gullible, not me. 2013 was the 2nd hottest year on record. The arctic will be ice free by 2016 according to the navy, first time in 3.3 million years. I think it you who is lost.

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  • James Rock

    Put a torch to it, it will evaporate, not turn into water oh smart and non-crazy government conspiracist! Let’s just say for one second, HAARP is spraying chemicals. What’s the big fucking deal? Weather seeding has been happening for decades to help climates that are struggling. It’s all in the name of science. HAARP isn’t hurting anyone, so get a real job and stop trying to scare people. You nutjobs are one violent act away from the definition of Domestic terrorism and I cannot wait until you doops are defined as such, so I can visit webpages without hearing “IT’S THE GOVERNMENT! THEY’RE TRYING TO PLOT AGAINST US!”. Why would a government plot against their own citizens? The US government thrives (and makes financial gain, in a sense) off it’s own population. Let’s get back to reality here.

    Feel free (anyone) to comment back, I’ll get the email and I’ll be back to counter some stupidity. AND btw, this fake snow stuff is complete b/s. What next? Rain isn’t freezing right? “Oh man guys, I brought in some fresh government made rain and my freezer won’t freeze it! Let me make a Youtube movie about it and say shit ain’t right. END TIMES MAN! END TIMES!”

  • Jennifer Andrews

    Lmao!!! This is to funny! I was thinking the same thing….these people are nuts! Yeah and people say ‘Oh the navy says there will be no ice in the arctic by 2016″ And the people on her think it’s because chemtrails…..ahhahaha lol! How about a more LOGICAL reason like um idk… M O T H E R – N A T U R E…global warming IS real. Sorry to break so,e of your fantasy’s… “Oh the government, the government” hahaha lol…LOL! It’s very funny that people are taking this like dead serious…like really?? What’s the point !? Like…not to be an ass hole…but honestly *IF* the government was doing this???don’t you think it would be on a different country…..I mean really!? THINK ABOUT IT! The governments NEEDS this generation…the people in the military are great and I sport and hank them for defending this country but….they are not going to live forever. There are kids out there that some will grow up and enter the military. So…..no people, no army=USA easy target. Oh and there’s OTHER scientific reasons why snow wouldn’t ‘melt’ not just ‘Oh, the government’ lol! In conclusion the snow *IS* real…..get a life.

  • Brucej36

    I live in Atlanta – there is snow turning to water all over the place
    Have you heard of sublimation?

  • Jehosephatt J. Jones

    This shows the desperation of Conservatives to debunk global warming: they will create false snow just to make climate scientists look foolish.

  • Jehosephatt J. Jones

    “no one listens”–they think you are bonkers and you can’t prove them wrong.

  • Thulsa Doom

    No its not desperation in the way you think, they are actually trying to make the earth cooler, the arctic is 20 degrees on average hotter, the arctic is a window to the future. If we have a 10 degree change in global temperature both poles will melt and water levels will increase by 200 feet globally, this is happening far more rapidly than they expected. The bickering is a smoke screen. Its the geo engineering companies fighting for the money and method is what is wrong, We should be allowed in on debate process if our planet is in serious trouble. I also believe the chemtrails have a secondary and more nefarious purpose than reflectivity. There aren’t 2 parties, there hasn’t been since Lincoln was shot.

  • toadUso

    Anyone who, like me, has lived over half a century in the northern US with its windchills of 30 below zero, has built dozens of snowmen and has had snow drifts up to the second floor windows during a few winters, find this conspiracy hilarious. Most snow is very dry. It holds lots of air and very little moisture. Stomp on it and it blows away from your feet. The current piles of fluffy (because of the low moisture content) snow covering my yard will melt as they have always melted – by slowly becoming smaller piles of ice ( with high moisture content because of what has melted into it). The white snow becomes ugly grey ice. We don’t get into the soggy ground season until the last of that ice, like an ice cube, melts. I can’t wait! BTW – how convenient to stop heating the snow after it contracted into the little icy blob containing most of the moisture contained in the snow. Had he kept going, he’d have had a puddle. But then the conspiracy theory would have melted too.

  • faggot_born

    whoever wrote this article is clearly batshit crazy

  • Jehosephatt J. Jones

    So did the government drop all this snow on Atlanta or did the chem trails somehow make all this fake snow or was it HAARP???

  • Jehosephatt J. Jones

    “Proof” seems to be have a low thresh hold at this site.

  • Dan Dorfman

    Dear lord, you’re stupid.
    Butane burns dirty. The combustion products stick to the snow, that’s what makes it black and smell.
    The snow does melt, as you can see in every single shaky, short, cell phone video.
    Low standards for evidence, zero actual curiosity, and more logical leaps than even Evil Kenievel can do.
    Thanks for dumbing down the population.

  • Janice Rael

    It’s called SOOT. When you use a flame, SOOT is the result. Please learn to science.

  • Thulsa Doom

    2 C4H10 + 13 O2 → 8 CO2 + 10 H2O Ok where is the soot in this reaction of butane burning, I see NO carbon, I see co2 which leaves no soot and I see water which leaves no soot. You really need to learn about chemistry before you give us insight to your sub GED brain.

  • Thulsa Doom

    2 C4H10 + 13 O2 → 8 CO2 + 10 H2O this is the chemical process of burning butane, there is no carbon produced, it is not dirty. They need to hire smarter shills. All their lies are so absurd a 5th grader knows how to prove them wrong.

  • Thulsa Doom

    2 C4H10 + 13 O2 → 8 CO2 + 10 H2O that is the chemical process of burning butane. Where is the dirt I see only carbon dioxide and water both of which are not dirty. I think you might be stupid.

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Wow, you people are idiots. Guess what: ALL OF THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES YOU TALK ABOUT ARE BULLSHIT. Good job wasting your lives on absolute nonsense, while ignoring real issues. You people suck at life.

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Michael, Chemtrails also have mundane scientific explanations. —-> contrailscience.com

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Nicholas, you have no idea what you’re talking about. You obviously know nothing about physics, or you’d see how stupid you look.

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Thulsa, my friend: You believe nonsense. You obviously are very ignorant about basic science, so maybe EDUCATE YOURSELF BEFORE SPEAKING. Paranoid morons. Your “theories” are nonsense and you believe anything so long as it endorses your paranoia. You=dumb. I’m trying to simplify things so you can understand. Chemtrails=fake. “Fake snow”=Fake. Everything you care about is fake. Idiots.

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Natural News! Ah yes, the internet’s repository of bullshit lies and nonsense.

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    “Not of this world”….. I feel dumb for even saying this.. but you know that evidence of cloud-seeding in China IS NOT evidence of chemtrails, or any other nonsense? You’ve shown us ZERO evidence for chemtrails or for “fake snow”. I’d go ahead and guess that you don’t have a background in meteorology or any science at all, correct? Then why do you speak so confidently about something you have no evidence for? You know, scientists don’t speak with such ignorant assurance, because they know they’ll have to prove what they say. People like you talk shit all day and never admit when you’re wrong, which all ALL THE TIME. Get a life. Chemtrails are CONTRAILS. contrailscience(dot)com

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    ContrailScience(dot)com <—————— There is no such thing as Chemtrails, either. You people, if you really want to make a difference, should start caring about issues that actually exist.

    Or, continue your hysterics over "fake snow" and "chemtrails" that somehow never leave any evidence of being sprayed, and die worrying about figments of your imagination, while the world goes to shit.

  • Dd

    Is YouTube – Vimeo, DailyMotion, etc. okay to post presentations given by Whistleblowers? You have an agenda and this information has obviously rubbed you the wrong way. The truth hurts and it’s far easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

    Get over it, people are paying attention.

    Marcus Henry Weber = TROLL

  • Dd

    I wondered how long it would take the TROLLS and SHILLS to attack this very eye opening information.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Alaska is 40 degrees warmer than average this year. We need to focus tax monies to the sequestering and use of outgassing methane in the ESAS. There are already plans in place, massive public projects that require heavy industrialization.; they need to be executed now. I am not so worried about CO2, plants will take up much of that if we can eliminate methane. We need to find a way to pump free hydroxyl radicals into the troposphere without killing us all. There is so much opportunity here. Millions of new semi permanent jobs; lasting until at least 2184,ushering in a new age of prosperity and a truly global understanding of one world, one God mind state.. i just solved the G20 unemployment woes and ended all wars for this requires a global effort to solve. We the people need to know the dangers of the future and be involved in the sensible geo engineering of the globe. It should not be a private enterprise which is in no way beholden in any way to basic human rights; but one in which the populace is a fully aware partner in his or her salvation or destruction. We can handle the truth. We have a right to know if aerosols are indeed being sprayed into our atmosphere and what they are, their totals and total effect. God save us, I used to be spiteful, not so much anymore. Peace and Love.

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  • ntrlhealth

    Excellent. Other people have said this same snow in a normal pan on the stove melts as normal.

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Dd, stupidity rubs me wrong. Like your comment. I’m a troll? No. I post under my real name and I say exactly my honest opinion. You, on the other hand, post under a fake name, ignore the science and make personal attacks, and call names.
    Sorry, “D”, you are the troll, here. Keep promoting idiotic conspiracy theories, D. It’s not like you’re wasting your life on idiocy and nonsense while real issues pass you by…….

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    “Sublimation can only occur at temps way below freezing. ” Hahahahaha.
    Oh yeah?
    Hahah I love the amateur, half-assed attempts as science, only used so long as they promote the paranoid theories of the ill-informed.

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    “Geo-engineering whistleblower”…… AKA, some woman who likes attention lying to a room full of people begging to be lied to.

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Just for the record, everyone, HAARP fires radiowaves into the atmosphere to see how it reacts; it doesn’t cause earthquakes or anything like that. One more bullshit issue that doesn’t exist that people are wasting their lives worrying about.

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Here you have it, folks: Chemtrails have jumped the shark. They’re done. This post proves that the people who believe in chemtrails (people who believe things on sites like this, infowars, naturalnews, collectiveevolution, riseearth… and so on) will simply believe anything. The only mystery is how you people can think you are enlightened and wise and more informed than the average; You are not. You are more superstitious than fundamentalist Muslims and have worse critical-thinking skills than Tea-Partiers.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Unless there is extreme pressure ergo vacuum, it begins in arid regions of the earth and at temps starting at 15 degrees fareneit. The only 2 natural occrrenceces are in during arid cold spells where the upper layers of snow undergo ablation and sublimation, this process can also happen to icebergs but are the only 2 examples of natural water sublimation on earth outside of window pane ice which undergoes a similar process. It is really nothing compared to the riddle of steel.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Slow down there cool guy. You sound desperate and afraid, like you are having a nervous breakdown. This material must be right on point. I think you just called everyone in the world clinically insane and an absurdist except yourself. Narcissistic personality disorder/borderline personality disorder is what some would call your state of mind. The Earth is completely f***ed, we all seem to know it but you- unless of course you are a paid shill spreading disinformation which is lame and soulless.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Ice does not sublimate to gas unless the pressure is artificially lowered or the temperature is too cold for it to melt, even during electrolysis melting would occur. 1 microgram of ice will melt to water then vaporize if exposed to open flame, the three states of matter are always expressed in earths atmosphere unless the above states are in effect. The fact weathermen are lying about the process of sublimation puts us all in a weird sci fi movie. Butane is a clear burning fuel, during ignition, butane turns into 2 gases, carbon dioxide and water vapor (2 C4H10 + 13 O2 → 8 CO2 + 10 H2O) so the soot is definitely not coming from the butane. My guess it is in the fabricated white fluffy plastic stuff that is falling from the skies and doesn’t melt when a blow torch is put to it…

  • Thulsa Doom

    It sounds like you are obsessed. When you hold a lighter to snow it melts, when you hold a blow torch to snow it melts. Water has 3 states solid, liquid, gas.. Sublimation only occurs at temperatures BELOW freezing or when pressure is lowered ie. vacuum freezing. 1 microgram of water ice will melt to liquid and then turn into gas when exposed to a flame expressing all 3 states of matter.

    2 C4H10 + 13 O2 → 8 CO2 + 10 H2O this chemical process occurs when you ignite butane- do you see carbon? Nope. Who is the moron now …bitch. Good luck with that GED.

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Absolute drivel.^ None of this is applicable to a person packing a snow-ball and taking a lighter to it. It’s sublimation. No chemtrails. No amount of blah, blah, blah science-y sounding nonsense will provide evidence for such. What a waste of time you people are.

  • Jame Sta

    Read my friend, Read…knowledge is power.

  • MaGaO

    “Ice does not sublimate to gas unless the pressure is artificially lowered or the temperature is too cold for it to melt”
    But you don’t need the aire pressure to be low: you need water vapour’s partial pressure to be low. 1 microgram of ice, at temperatures under 0.01ºC and water vapour pressure under 0.2mPa will sublimate when heat is applied.
    And yes, the soot is coming from the butane combustion: none of the videos have blue flames (signal of a clean combustion) but yellow ones (which means there is not enough oxygen).
    Your guess is wrong. And, whether you know it or not, it is you lying and not the weathermen.

  • MaGaO

    Argh, I misread your post. My excuses.

  • MaGaO

    Vacuum freezing, as you probably don’t know, removes the air in order to remove the water vapour (a process that makes it quite expensive) because there is not easier way to remove the water vapour without removing the air altogether.
    When you hold a lighter to snow, part of it will become gas quickly enough that there is no time for it to even drip and the rest quickly refreezes as it gets stuck inside the pores that freshly fallen snow (which has a lot of air inside) has.
    I can’t help but wonder why nobody seems to have run this simple test: weigh a bottle with its cap, weigh the same bottle full of snow (and the cap on), keep it inside so the snow will melt and, once it does (which it will), weigh it again and check for any deposits. You will find out that the supposedly synthetic snow is actually… common snow.

  • MaGaO

    Someone bring me a 5th grader. Here’s an explanation of how flames based on hydrocarbons work:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ymAXKXhvHI

  • MaGaO

    Who are you to come here with your real life facts ;-)

  • Dan Dorfman

    That chemical reaction is valid, except for the fact that there aren’t always 13 oxygen molecules on hand in the particular bit of space next to a butane molecule, and traces of carbon soot in addition to carbon monoxide are produced instead. That’s what you learn in classes after high school chem 101, that chemical reactions don’t always occur the same in real life.
    Also, lighters are not filled with the pure stuff, but are often mixed with small amounts of hydrogen sulfide and mercaptans, which smells like garlic or skunk spray, so that leaks can be detected.

  • Dan Dorfman

    It’s called “incomplete combustion” and it comes from insufficient oxygen at the point of reaction. Fewer oxygen molecules = fewer oxygen atoms left for the carbon atom.
    Butane lighters making soot is extremely well documented.
    If you want to test it for yourself instead of acting like a cocksure child, hold a lighter up to a plate and see what happens.
    You really need to learn about real life before shooting your mouth off with copy/pastes from wikipedia.

  • Dd

    You Mr. Weber are the one hurling derogatory remarks and trying to discredit folks. That is the number rule in the Troll handbook.

    People aren’t stupid, so why don’t you let others watch this presentation and make up their own minds. The video has gone viral and is receiving much support.

    You shouldn’t be discrediting someone that worked in the U.S. Air Force for 9 years as a Bio-Environmental Engineer, responsible for health and safety with approval rights to all chemicals used.

    Continue to live in your bubble of mis / disinformation, trying to conceal a program that will one day effect you and your family too.

  • Jay

    so now somebody blowtorching snow in his kitchen counts as journalistic evidence? yup, it’s the end of days – forget global warming, the idiots will kill us first.

  • Thulsa Doom

    You are a true imbecile, it is fun refuting imbeciles such as yourself. If I have 1 microgram of water ice and hold it to an open flame; it will liquefy, then vaporize. The classical states of matter are solid, liquid,gas (exotic states do not exist on Earth except by artificial means.). Sublimation only occurs on earth at temperatures below freezing and at exceedingly low humidity. If you artificially lower the pressure you can produce sublimation but other than that nope. You obviously are uneducated so we will leave it at that. Now you will get the question right on your 5th GED attempt…..Booooom!

  • Thulsa Doom

    Wrong, 2 C4H10 + 13 O2 → 8 CO2 + 10 H2O incomplete combustion? Are you a complete moron, yep. It is a gas. Incomplete combustion would simply result in clear colorless butane escaping, it’s a chemical process, carbon atoms simply just don’t fall out of the gas. You shills really are soulless and quite frankly, dumb. Therefore the soot must be the result of burning that plastic fluffy stuff that doesn’t melt when a blow torch is held to it.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Ice to water vapor is sublimation, no matter how it happens. Outside in
    the sun, in your freezer it doesn’t matter. When you have a solid
    changing directly to a gas it’s sublimation.

    if you even check this against the vapor
    pressure of ice at 0 C is .006 atm and therefore the highest vapor
    pressure ice can have.

    So to explain it again, water in the atmosphere has a certain partial
    pressure. A piece of ice outside, sun or no sun, has a certain vapor
    pressure. If the vapor pressure of the ice is higher than the partial
    pressure of water in the atmosphere the water vapor will enter the
    atmosphere, and more ice will sublime to try and keep equilibrium. But
    if the partial pressure of water in the atmosphere is above .006 atm
    sublimation will not occur. So you got mixed up with partial pressure
    and total pressure. Again if you hold a flame to it at 1 atm it will melt not vaporize.

    The color of the flame is dependent on , black body radiation, spectral line emissions, and pace of ignition. has nothing to do with purity in this case. Bic uses exceedingly pure butane, ask them.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Please, enough with the condescension it reeks of defeat. 2 C4H10 + 13 O2 → 8 CO2 + 10 H2O I really dont have to say much more. It certainly does not have the ability to char snow. You shills are such maroons.

  • gomurr

    Yes, and then contrails dissipate in the atmosphere. I have seen chemtrails that have remained in the atmosphere for 24 hours. They are not the same.

  • gomurr

    While I am of the opinion the snow is real, you are extremely naive about the government.

    Shortly after Kennedy was assassinated, President Lyndon Johnson, who couldn’t wait to escalate the war in Vietnam, “created an incident”, also known as a false flag. The incident was The Gulf of Tonkin, where our government and military reported the USS Maddox had been fired upon by the North Vietnamese. This non-incident served as the means to send hundreds of thousands of troops to Vietnam. This “lie” resulted in the deaths of nearly 60,000 Americans and 1.5 million Vietnamese men, women, and children. It was a war which, besides killing a massive number of people (and still counting for those affected by agent orange), served no purpose except massive profits for the war profiteers, such as Monsanto (DuPont).

    Throughout the last century, our government has engaged in these kind of tactics, and continues to do so. There is no remorse on their part for the massive casualties that often result from their actions. War is a way to retain power and wealth for the elite, and to exert control over the population. Accumulation of wealth and power is the only goal. If you think your government cares about you, read the report from Iron Mountain. Start reading some real history, not the crap you were taught in school.

  • gomurr

    ContrailScience.com is a government disinfo site.

  • MaGaO

    “Again if you hold a flame to it at 1 atm it will melt not vaporize.”
    Not if the partial pressure of water is under .006atm, sorry. Snow will either sublimate (if under triple point) or melt and refreeze inside one of the many pores fresh snow has.
    The color of the flame, as the video I loaded before shows, depends on all of that _and_ the availability of oxygen. If you have a yellow flame when burning hydrocarbons you don’t have enough oxygen.

  • MaGaO

    If you don’t have 13O2 you get soot. But please DO NOT BELIEVE ME, check it yourself:
    -Apply a butane lighter’s flame to something that doesn’t burn (clay or pottery are good options because you can wash them later) and see how it creates soot.
    -Get a bit of snow and pack it very hard (do it outside so it doesn’t heat up) and run the butane test again: you will find that, the harder it is packed the less pores it has and the more it drips.
    -Get a bit of snow and let it stay in a glass or whatever at room temperature. It will melt. You can even let it evaporate. Or you can put it on a fire and watch it melt quickly.
    And, if you feel like it, you can come back and tell us about the results (or even put a few videos up).

  • MaGaO

    They _are_ the same. Weather conditions don’t change according to your wishes. If the air humidity stays above the triple point the contrail won’t dissipate.

  • nebulaboy

    So why does black soot (signs of incomplete combustion, exactly) accumulate on virtually anything that you hold a butane flame to at close range?

    FYI, plastic DOES melt when you hold a blow torch to it. Where does that leave the author’s hypothesis?

  • David Sims

    2 C4H10 + 13 O2 → 8 CO2 + 10 H2O is one of the reactions that happens. It isn’t the ONLY reaction that happens, you ignorant FOOL! Whenever you have open combustion in air, some of the hydrocarbon your are burning goes through the complete combustion reaction, but some of it does not, leaving some carbon left over for making a tarry spot on whatever the flame was near. You can EASILY observe this by holding a cigarette lighter under a piece of metal and watching the carbon spot grow on the metal. The metal isn’t burning. The carbon is precipitating on it. You dummy.

  • nebulaboy
  • Not of this World

    Take a deep breath asshole and pull your head out of your proverbial ass. Interestingly, the United Nations (UN) and various Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation-backed groups have recently been forced to admit that such sprayings are taking place, and that the emitted particles are not normal contrails. But their excuse for why chemtrail sprayings are being done is that they will somehow save the planet from the devastating effects of so-called “global warming,” that ever-present, pseudoscientific environmental theory that is often used as justification for all sorts of outlandish policy proposals. (http://www.globalresearch.ca)

    You’re a prime example of normalcy bias and the lack of actual critical thinking. Keep up the good work!

  • Thulsa Doom

    Wrong, I just gave the reason for the color of the flame, the regulator for the butane is set at a much lower speed than the bic. The blowtorch has an adjustable regulator see how it goes from orange to blue after the regulator increases the flow butane out of the can. If they were using a crack lighter the same would be true, the color of the flame has nothing to do with the availability of oxygen. If there was not enough oxygen, uncombusted colorless butane would be emitted. Don’t mess with the champ

  • nebulaboy

    That’s way too complicated. It’s easier to highlight a “wedge issue” like abortion, same-sex marriage, gun control — take your pick — to get out the vote. A lot cheaper than “creating a problem” to solve. Never mind the fact that any given problem often has multiple ways to solve and not everyone will agree on the approach taken.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Then the substance is neither plastic nor water but some advanced polymer, the soot left on objects burnt by the flame is from particulates on the object or in the atmosphere of the room, look at all the dust floating around your houses. In the New York state experiment there is no soot. The only other possibility is the butane itself is not pure, containment oils etc…we must contact BIC to ascertain the purity of their butane.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Again there is no such thing as the incomplete combustion of gases (nature is always in equilibrium) DUMMY, the uncombusted butane would simply escape as butane. The carbon spot is from particulates in the atmosphere or on the metal itself. Use education and logic because you dont know chemistry; the only possibility outside atmospheric particulates is the butane company is not using a pure product. We must contact BIC in order to ascertain the purity of their product but I believe it is pure unadulterated butane. In the case that oxygen must be available for the reaction to occur if there aren’t enough molecules it wont occur, When oxygen is limited:

    2 C4H10 + 9 O2 → 8 CO + 10 H2O still 2 odorless colorless gases

  • nebulaboy

    What about the unburned fuel? Even the best jet engine is not 100% efficient combustion, and a butane lighter certainly isn’t either.

    Secondly, let’s assume for a moment that the substance is “some advanced polymer”. This stuff is all over the town and then some, surely it can be sent to a lab for analysis. But I’ve seen nothing, just conjecture such as what you just wrote. No evidence. Not even a microscopic examination or gas spectrometer reading. Nothing.

    Even if your supposition were true, how crappy and futile would a Governmental Conspiracy of this scale be if it could be foiled by a such a simple demonstration that any 12 year old could perform? Either way, if there was such a ‘fake snow’ advanced polymer that doesn’t melt, it would be FAR more impactful to use such a substance for the nation’s ski resorts, where a low snow season or high temperatures can ruin business due to seasonal variation. They could charge handsomely for it, it would even best current best practices in artificial snowmaking technology (which is based on condensing water molecules).

    I would recommend that you collect as much of this material as is humanly possible, stockpile it in a warehouse, hire some material scientists, reverse-engineer it and find a way to make your own. It would turn a handsome profit! If you don’t, I might have to fly down to Atlanta to get some myself!

  • Thulsa Doom

    the fuel is a gas held under pressure, if it is unburned it simply escapes as a butane molecule nature always seeks equilibrium. The only 2 explanations are, particulates in th “atmosphere, snow or fake snow” or the butane is not pure, the use of containment oils etc… To ascertain pureness we must contact BIC.
    BIC uses pure butane. Chemistry is pretty straightforward. If it is impure we can calculate the amount of soot per mol given the chemical formula of the substance. Who knows why the government does sh** but they are always up to something that I can guarantee. Right now, methane outgassing in the ESAS is reaching critical and I mean critical levels, We could be staring at a 100 foot rise in sea levels in just 10 years based on new models. Methane accumulation is reaching Permian Triassic extinction event levels. We deserve to know if our planet is endangered. We deserve to know if they are spraying aerosols and what they are, their totals and their total effect.

  • MaGaO

    “If there was not enough oxygen, uncombusted colorless butane would be emitted”
    Or partially combusted butane (read CO2+H2O+microparticles of soot) would be emitted.
    Actually, since we are talking colours, let’s see what the colours of hydrogen and carbon combustion are:
    -Hydrogen burns with an almost invisible flame. See what happens when a methanol fire breaks out in Nascar racing:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku7TdLeEGsQ
    -Carbon burns with a blue flame.
    If you get any other colour (usually some kind of yellow or orange flame), combustion of butane is incomplete, as you can see at http://www.abe.iastate.edu/extension-and-outreach/carbon-monoxide-poisoning-checking-for-complete-combustion-aen-175/
    Let’s get back to your preferred reaction: 2C4H10+13O2->10H2O+8CO2. What happens if there is less than 13O2, say 12O2? 2C4H10+12O2->10H2O+7CO2+C
    Oxygen won’t magically let butane be just because there is not enough to burn it all at once.
    Chemical reactions aren’t the ordered events that you think them to be. If they were, there would be no need to research better ways to mix gasoline with air for combustion motors and there would be no need to research better ways to light up the mix either. And yet research continues in both areas.

  • nebulaboy

    “the fuel is a gas held under pressure, if it is unburned it simply escapes as a butane molecule nature always seeks equilibrium.”
    That does not align with reality. The production of soot does not require an impure fuel, just a lack of O2. Here’s a balanced reaction when it is lacking in oxygen, below. Yes, some of the unburned fuel can escape due to the pressure. The same thing happens with cars, jets and even blowtorches.
    C4H10 + 7O2 —> 5H2O + 1CO2 + 2CO + C

    Setting that aside, if the soot is evidence of the “fake snow”, then the author should have collected it and had it analyzed, before alarming all manner of people by telling them that the sky is falling.

  • DevinC

    “there is no such thing as the incomplete combustion of gases”

    “nature is always in equilibrium”

    Any chemist will tell you those are just not true. (As would a little thought: if everything were in thermal equilibrium, nothing would ever change temperature.)

  • Thulsa Doom

    You are ignoring the fact that 20% of the atmosphere is oxygen, so the availability of oxygen is not a concern and the ignition of butane does not produce carbon monoxide because it will only ignite if there is enough 02, basic chemistry. These substances will not ignite unless the amount O2 necessary for combustion is present and in equilibrium, its called critical mass. The process cannot begin without enough O2. Carbon can only be present in the final equation if there is impurity in the butane which yields carbon when combusted. The reaction will not take place unless there is equilibrium.

    Gas chromatography should be done on the collected snow samples.

  • nebulaboy

    I’m not sure where you got your basic chemistry from. Let me take you back to the classroom. You will see your answer at 0:55-2:00. Now mind you, this is an example with methane. Of course, the equations are slightly different, but the principles are the same.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrVJpDEM1Y8

    An orange flame indicates a rich combustion (more fuel than oxygen available) which results in an incomplete combustion. A hot blue flame is indicative of a more complete combustion — which generally does not produce soot. There is another video showing the use of butane lighters held near a glass slide(orange flame), and the resultant blackening (able to be wiped off — it’s just carbon particles, after all). The slide is then exposed to a blue butane flame with a much more efficient blowtorch. No soot. I’m not sure how much simpler it can get than that.

  • Thulsa Doom

    the equations are different and they are different substances. where are you getting a lack of O2? If enough O2 is not present the remainder escapes, it is a straightforward molar equation, the remainder escapes and does not produce another molecule unless in the presence of a free hydroxyl radical. CH4+HO=CH3 + H20 +HO=etc that is why the substance being used is methane and not butane. The interaction with free hydroxyl radicals will eventually produce carbon.

    Where did you learn chemistry? You use different substances to describe the chemical process of an entirely different substance. Where I come from we call that person an amateur, idiot, moron etc…

    I think we both agree there is sufficient detailed anomalies as to warrant a chemical analysis of the substance. Surely someone has kept this substance and has trustworthy friend that can analyze the substance. I am sure we will be seeing the results soon.

    Its obvious I have about a 100 IQ points on you, give it up.

  • James Foley

    High temperature snow? Wow maybe there really is cold fusion too! These government spooks are doing all kinds of weird shite! :)
    I wonder if they had the “mothership” seed the clouds for the fake snow?

  • MaGaO

    Of course. Either that or a site based on reproducible science, which is what chemtrailers lack left and right (besides basic knowledge of atmosphere dynamics).

  • Thulsa Doom

    Ok now you are using an entirely different substance, methyl alcohol, methane reacts with free hydroxyl radicals in the atmosphere eventually producing carbon. CH4+HO=CH3 + H20 +HO until one gets carbon and water thus soot. They are entirely different formulas and compounds…give it up. I am right you wrong, its that simple.

    Combustion will not occur unless the butane equation is in equilibrium, if there is not enough oxygen the molecules will not combust leaving the remaining molecules to disperse freely into the atmosphere unaffected by the CHEMICAL process of ignition.

    For the last time, you are a moron

    when oxygen is limited it still produces 2 gases carbon monoxide and water, odorless and colorless When oxygen is limited: (how would oxygen be limited near sea level?)

    2 C4H10 + 9 O2 → 8 CO + 10 H2O How many ways can I explain it, the remaining butane escapes

  • Thulsa Doom

    If the gas is butane, it ought to burn according to the following formula:

    2C4H10 + 13O2 -> 8CO2 + 10H2O

    Note the ratio of gas to water is 1 to 5. This means 1 molecule of
    butane will generate 5 molecules of water. It also means a hundred
    zillion molecules will generate 5 hundred zillion molecules.

    Chemists work with “moles” which is a very large number with 23 zeros.
    This many molecules of anything has a characteristic weight. This is
    called the molecular weight. This much of a particular substance is
    therefore known as its “molecular weight”.

    The molecular weight of water is 18 grams per mole. This is a sum of the
    atomic weights, oxygen being 16 and hydrogen 1. For butane, this works
    out to be 12*4 + 10 = 58 grams per mole. Now, if one burned a certain
    amount of lighter fuel and was able to condense and collect the steam,
    then the difference in weight of the lighter could be compared to the
    weight of the steam collected.

    In terms of “moles”, the ratio ought to be 1 to 5 if the gas is butane.
    To calculate things in terms of moles, divide the weight of substance by
    it’s molecular weight. For example, if 1 gram of water is condensed, it
    would be 1/18 mole. It then follows that this would be 5 times the
    moles of butane consumed. 1/18 = 0.055 and a fifth of this will be about
    0.011 and this many moles of butane will weigh 3.2 grams. Note the
    weights are not 1 to 5, but the number of moles are. This is how
    chemistry works.

    Now, concerning the experiment, all one might need is an accurate lab
    balance and something to condense the steam. One good choice might be
    dry ice (solid CO2). One can actually hold a chunk of it over the flame
    and ice will form as the CO2 evaporates. Either this, or put the dry ice
    in a small beaker and direct the flame to the bottom of the beaker.
    Once nicely frosted, weigh the water after the dry ice has completely
    evaporated.

    Most top loading lab balances can be “tarred”. A small beaker and larger
    one can be weighed and then the balance reset to zero. When the two
    beakers are weighed again, the reading will be any additional weight, in
    this experiment it will be the weight of the water. The amount of fuel
    consumed is simply a matter of taking the weight of the lighter before
    and after the experiment.

    The accuracy of the experiment will increase as more gas is burned and
    more water collected, so try and generate as much steam as possible.
    Accuracy also depends on taking things to at least two decimal places,
    even three, if possible. Top loading balances are generally very
    accurate to a tenth of a gram and acceptably accurate to a hundredth.
    The most precise balances are the analytical type, which are very
    accurate to a thousandth of a gram, but these sorts can’t be tarred.
    However, most undergraduate chemistry labs will have at least one of
    them.

    Finally, try and preform the experiment in a dry area. High atmospheric
    humidity will condense on the beaker as well, and this will add
    additional water.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical
    compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen
    Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the
    highly reactive hydroxyl radical. this is what I believe they are spraying.

    Here is why they are spraying
    this, it is a free hydroxyl radical which has the potential to break
    down the massive methane multi gigaton outburst in ESAS (A potential Extinction Level Event) and effect a breakdown of the methane
    molecules
    in the troposhpere into inert compounds.NATURE HAS BEGUN A GREENHOUSE
    FEEDBACK LOOP, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR ACTIVITIES. They are doing it (spraying DHMO)
    to
    save us, I believe. This is the first phase of a much larger project. Methane levels are reaching the same levels they were during
    the Triassic Permian extinction event. They are indeed trying to save
    the earth in my opinion, they are just not telling us how dire our
    predicament is. The alternative to doing nothing is far worse, Like I said methane out gassing is an ELE

  • Thulsa Doom

    When oxygen is limited:

    2 C4H10 + 9 O2 → 8 CO + 10 H2O same… 2 odorless colorless gases

  • Thulsa Doom

    Well i have chemical equations I dont need a cartoon for 3rd graders, like you.
    2 C4H10 + 13 O2 → 8 CO2 + 10 H2O

    In your theoretical limited oxygen evironment
    2 C4H10 + 9 O2 → 8 CO + 10 H2O

    Still 2 odorless colorless gases that leave no soot, these are the only 2 possible conditions for butane combustion to occur. Don’t mess with the champ.

  • Thulsa Doom

    On earth at sea level to 15000 feet 2 C4H10 + 13 O2 → 8 CO2 + 10 H2O

    In your theoretical limited oxygen evironment
    2 C4H10 + 9 O2 → 8 CO + 10 H2O

    Still 2 odorless colorless gases that leave no soot, these are the
    only 2 possible conditions for butane combustion to occur. Don’t mess
    with the champ.

  • MaGaO

    Oh dear, you really are a recalcitrant ignorant. The only difference between burning methanol and burning butane is that you need _more_ oxygen per butane molecule. Actually, methanol burns with a cleaner flame than butane because there is no need for so much oxygen to be around.
    Butane combustion doesn’t happen all-or-nothing. If you can’t grasp this simple fact, you need to get back to high school and learn chemistry all over again.
    But let’s get to your (quite) legitimate question about partial combustion: how would oxygen be limited near sea level? Because there is not enough oxygen pressure. See? It’s simple.
    I know you will go out on another tangent, but think about oxyacetylenic blow torches. You probably know that acetylene is C2H2. It is quite a small molecule so it should burn quite easily, right? Wrong. Acetylene burns very poorly at room pressure (and butane burns even worse) and that is why it needs pressurized oxygen to work as a blow torch.
    Let’s get back to butane though. You have seen many butane cookers, I presume, but you didn’t pay attention to the fact that they have several outlets for butane to burn. If, as you ask, oxygen was abundant enough to burn butane efficiently a simple burner would be enough to heat the pot. But it isn’t, and butane needs to be spread around so it burns efficiently.
    Lastly, on your CO escape. Let’s bring the oxygen available for combustion way down: 2C4H10+5O2->… ? You start getting soot.

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    My friend, you’ve shown me zero proof of Chemtrails. Why should I believe you? I’ve demanded such evidence from everyone person who ever told me about chemtrails; no-one can produce real evidence. I wonder why…. Maybe because its made-up crap? Prove it, and take your pretentious holier-than-thou attitude (based on, apparently, nothing) and shove it up your ass.

  • ufopro

    Hi Nebulaboy, for a moment there, I was excited to have met someone who I could learn something from. Are you saying that there have been more times in the past that this same reaction with snow and flame is documented? Our are you claiming this is the first time that it’s just been noticed? Did you happen to notice that the new media never once saw any evidence of Salt being used on this particular snow? Why? Whoever is responsible for the tons of aluminum being sprayed must have much more knowledge of chemistry that you. If this was intentional, , which I’m sure it was, then you and countless other debunkers were set up to have an easy scientific explanation. I know one thing that I’m sure that you don’t. The agency or people responsible for this event, don’t make mistakes, but they do manipulate nice guys like you to do their bidding.

  • Dan Dorfman

    Step 1: Take a lighter

    Step 2: Hold it up to a common eating plate

    Step 3: Light it and see what happens.

    I can literally pull up a hundred videos and pictures of a butane lighter making soot. Here’s just one:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSgVGbi5dyY

    Don’t mess with video evidence.
    I think we’re done here.

  • Not of this World

    Are you really this fucking stupid? Here, suck on this for a while, then get back to me with one of your witty responses. I’d suggest you rethink your position, your attitude towards the federal government and your LACK of critical and free thinking skills.

    First used in July 1943, Operation Gomorrah employed an early form of chaff, code named ‘Window’, was successfully used for the first time by the RAF – clouds of shredded tinfoil dropped by Pathfinders as well as the initial bomber stream – in order to completely cloud German radar.Operation Gomorrah = http://youtu.be/dAR1ozEQk5Y

    First ever recorded cloud seeding for weather modification :

    Operation Popeye (Project Popeye/Motorpool/Intermediary-Compatriot) was a US military cloud seeding operation (running from March 20, 1967 until July 5, 1972) during the Vietnam war to extend the monsoon season over Laos, specifically areas of the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The operation seeded clouds with silver iodide, resulting in the targeted areas seeing an extension of the monsoon period an average of 30 to 45 days. As the continuous rainfall slowed down the truck traffic, it was considered relatively successful. The 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron carried out the operation to “make mud, not war.”Operation Popeye – Weather Warfare in Vietnam

    http://youtu.be/Cpr5JVWjIW4

    Amazing Footage of WWII Chemtrail Experiments – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO89KAJGkL8

    Chemtrails & HAARP discussed on the discovery channel
    http://youtu.be/HT-pJboZjxo

    The history channel presents the Haarp Chemtrails connection : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMjPhHVIOKk

    The History Channel presents Haarp & Earthquakes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foLDKQ00XJc

    Chemtrails now : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nllOShVgIAQ

    HAARP Holes In Heaven (Full Length Documentary) -http://youtu.be/rHf8xC_iZ0Q

    Chemtrails on the news : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJ_R8JVpi4

    Mass Law Prof speaks on chemtrails : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q08qTXVS3eA

    Haarp MKUltra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnrPmHzIEyc

    Declassified documents reveal genocidal Chemtrail spraying of Americans : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlH6srJPDoo

    ABC News Texas : http://www.kvue.com/news/state/Rabies-vaccine-to-be-dropped-from-the-air-136655533.html

    Al Gore Publicly Admits To Chemtrails Aerosol Spraying Projects On Ellen TV Show
    http://youtu.be/VA1YZzI0wSs

    Exposed: Secret Presidential Chemtrail Budget Uncovered – Congress Exceeds Billions To Spray Populace Like Roaches
    http://intellihub.com/2011/03/30/secret-presidential-chemtrail-budget-uncovered-exceeds-billions-to-spray-populations-like-roaches/

    Chemtrail PILOT WRITES “LAST CHANCE” WITH HIS JET ABOVE NYC!
    http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/137655/Chemtrail_PILOT_WRITES_LAST_CHANCE_WITH_HIS_JET_ABOVE_NYC/

    Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson makes a statement about chemtrails
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR6KVYJ73AU

    The Vitamin D deception: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWXEsnFZhBI

    BBC News report on Global Dimming :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8RyNSzQDaU

    ABC News special on MK-Ultra
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgT1r3ji_z4

    NASA Launches Chemtrail Rockets http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4oS2pIsBhg

    Prince talks about chemtrails http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBzx_3eOyZA

    Belfort Group videos of International Symposium on Chemtrails, May 29, 2010 proceedings.
    http://www.ustream.tv/channel/belfort-test

    “CASE ORANGE:

    Contrail Science, Its Impact on Climate and Weather Manipulation Programs Conducted by the United States and Its Allies,” 10 May 2010.

    http://coto2.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/case_orange-5-10-2010-belfort-chemtrails.pdf

    Owning the weather in 2025
    http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf

    Operational Defenses through Weather Control in 2030
    http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ada539515

    HAARP
    High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, Fact Sheet, 15 Jun 2007.
    http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/factSheet.html

    NEW USES FOR HAARP / GWEN TOWERS, Tesla Tech Arrays(TTA) & Chemtrails
    TTA = Tesla Tech Array
    HTA = HAARP Type Array

    ‘HAARP’ New TTA’s Exposed !!! How MAN MADE Australia’s RED WAVE !!!
    http://youtu.be/4Noek5qkJ9I

    ‘HAARP’ MASSIVE TTA’s DISCOVERED on SECRET ISLAND and SEA FLOOR Causing 2 EARTHQUAKES ???
    Ascension Island Hydroacoustic Data System – A US TTA network.
    Incident lasted 2 days: December 24th and December 25th, 2012.
    Island and South Atlantic TTA Diamond Coordinates
    Island with Obscurments – 20°29’47.69″S 29°18’49.80″W
    TTA’s at Georgetown on Ascension Island – 7°51’4.86″S 14°21’21.40″W
    South Atlantic TTA Diamond – 20°49’40.82″S 17° 9’48.38″W
    http://youtu.be/znaTirqLIds

    The Law
    United Nations, “Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques,”
    Resolution 31/72, 10 Dec 1976, effective 1978. Geneva.
    http://www.un-documents.net/enmod.htm

    Full Text of S. 517 (109th): Weather Modification Research and Development Policy Authorization Act.
    http://www.govtrack.us

    S. 517 (109th): Weather Modification Research and Development Policy Authorization Act of 2005 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s517/text

    H.R. 3445 (110th): Weather Mitigation Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2007 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/hr3445/text

    50 USC § 1520a – Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1520a

    Bernard J. Eastlund
    Eastlund authored three patents (US Patents #4,686,605, #4,712,155, and #5,038,664) that, it is claimed, led to the development of the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project (HAARP).

    Chemtrail Patents :

    Patent # 3899144 : powder contrail generation

    Patent # 4412654 : Microjet atomizer an method of aerial spraying

    Oxford Geoengineering Programme was founded in 2010
    http://www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/

  • nebulaboy

    Please, refresh your memory on ALKANES (methane, butane, ethane, octane, heptane, nonane and their associated isomers) and how they are COMPLETELY capable of partially and fully combusting. They all behave in the same proportions for an oxidation — the only difference is the energy required to start the reaction and the energy that is released.

    The logic you employ about unburnt butane simply “escaping” from the reaction is absolutely incorrect. Ask any furnace technician, chemist, chemistry professor, Incomplete combustion leads to CO and C being liberated due to the reaction — that’s why there are CO detectors in homes heated by fuels!

  • nebulaboy

    I don’t know to what extent people have tried such an experiment. I do know however, that you can get the same blackening when using a lighter on an ice cube or snow made in your freezer. Others in far away cities (I’m in Canada) have observed and made videos of same.

    Why don’t people do their own salt experiment then? I doubt they will find anything unusual. Let’s see some microscopic slides, chemical analysis and spectrometry of the suspect snow, chemical analysis of it — as opposed to conjecture and unfounded conclusions. It shouldn’t be hard to get this information — the snow is all over the place. And if it doesn’t melt from heat or salt as some here are insinuating, it should be around for a very long time, if not forever.

    If, as you say that the “agency or people responsible for this event, don’t make mistakes”, how could they make the most ridiculous blunder of them all — to have their elaborate scheme uncovered by a single individual with a $3.00 BIC lighter and a youtube video? If anything, it’s more plausible that the individual who produced this video set it up to cause hysteria among lay persons who don’t know any better.

    I could claim that the entire universe is made up of 4 elements: sky,fire, rock, and water. I could “prove” this by showing that wood is combustible (because it contains fire). Exposing the wood to a flame, I would then claim that the fire within the wood is brought out. When the fire is put out, the smoke is visible– because “smoke” is part of the element “sky”. On the surface it makes sense but scientifically it is bankrupt. Not unlike the author’s experiment.

    Besides, the claim is that the snow is some kind of plastic — if “they” were spraying aluminum, wouldn’t that interfere with the snow plan? If there were aluminum present in the “fake snow”, one would expect to see a silver/white flame — none of which was observed. Only the orange flame of an oxygen-poor combustion of butane, and the resulting soot that accompanies it. You will get the same blackening on any non-combustible surface under the same circumstances. The soot deposits on the object. Try it yourself. It’s a very simple experiment. Glass, a spoon, a snowball, an ice cube, a teacup to name a few. There really is nothing unusual about it. Meanwhile, 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol — a very toxic compound, is spilled into the drinking water of West Virginians, causing widespread distress and the possibility of horrible health outcomes, and people here are up in arms about a snowball that behaves like any other snowball.

  • MaGaO

    Ok, we are progressing: at least you finally stopped your full combustion mantra. Ok, let’s get into specifics. Full butane combustion requires, as you insistently repeat, 13 oxygen molecules. This mean each ml of butane gas (not liquid, gas) requires ml of oxygen to burn completely. Take in mind this doesn’t mean 13ml of air: since oxygen is about 21% of air, it requires about 62ml of air to burn completely.
    The butane lighter’s flow rate is above 5ml/s which means you need 310ml/s of air to burn it completely. That’s almost one litre every 3 seconds. You can’t burn it all.
    Besides your obsession about all-or-nothing butane burning, which is wrong if only because butane molecules are so much larger than oxygen ones, butane isn’t pure: you have already been told there are several smelly compounds added in so you know when there is a butane leak (actually, the same are used for methane and propane, for example). These are mostly sulphur compounds, and certainly don’t burn as readily as butane so you get stains.
    If this wasn’t enough, there is your text about black body radiation. Black body radiation only happens when you have a solid that heats up (first) and then heats down, glowing progressively redder. But you state that butane doesn’t create soot. Where are the suspension solids _inside_ the flame coming from? Certainly not from the air: the butane gas coming from the lighter expands. The only other source is butane itself burning incompletely and thus generating soot.
    By the way, did you even care to run the quick tests I told you? Because other people have, they have put the videos in this discussion and you still refuse to believe the facts.
    And you still have the gall to call people morons…

  • Jesse

    Im sorry but I have to agree. This is a hoax. I would rather say half a hoax because maybe people are onto something just this method is wrong. But keey eyes open, good job guys but the soot is an incomplete combustion.

  • ufopro

    You don’t seem to understand my message to you. I’m not debating the scientific explanation of the snow’s reaction to a butane lighter. Your explanation is, to a degree correct. However, it does not explain why the snow around Spirit Lake Idaho. Using and form of flame like butane lighter, or a propane melt, leaving water in it’s place. If a butane lighter’s flame makes direct contact with that snow, it will leave a black residue, however if the flame I used only as a heat source and does not make direct contact with the snow, the snow will melt. But his scenario does not appear to happen with the Atlanta snow. The are a couple of videos the substantiate this. The snow dos no melt, nor does it turn black. The incident in Atlanta was a clever scheme against the American Pulic. Instead of addressing the issue as one Nation, we’re debating, arguing like children, which is exactly what the powers that be want. The very wealthy people who are truly in charge of our live, have only one weapon that they can use against us. It’s called Psychological or mind manipulation of the masses. If this control were taken from he powers than be, they would have NO powers at all and the lives of everyone would easily become what it was meant to be since it’s creation.

  • Thulsa Doom

    I gave you both equations now you are grasping at straws, for low oxygen combustion and full combustion, the only way carbon is emitted is if the methane that escapes mixes with free hydroxyl radicals, which leads us to what the substance they are spraying is, hydronium. they are different equations and different molecules. methane and butane

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Do you even know who you’re talking to? You have no idea what I think about the federal government. You have NO IDEA. And yet you keep ranting as if I’m some brainwashed drone. You’re so arrogant you don’t even see what’s in front of you. You post videos about planes dropping bits of tinfoil as if that proves chemtrails exist? Do you even believe your own bullshit? What idiocy. You are one of the dumbest people I’ve met on the internet; congratulations! You think because I demand evidence, I’m brainwashed? Wow, no wonder you believe nonsense… and can’t provide a shred of evidence for it. Dumb twat. Go back to your conspiracy theories, you complete moron.

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Just to be clear, you are a sub-intelligent fool who reacts like a little baby when challenged. You’ve only proved that you’ve got no evidence for chemtrails and you believe things based on nothing. Good job.

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    (Chaff does not = Chemtrails, you dunce. Any more “evidence”, you laughable moron?)
    Not to mention that, if they were spraying “chaff” or any such thing, it would…. guess what… mess with RADAR! Because that’s what it does. But it doesn’t, because it’s not being spraying, and you are an idiot who apparently can’t read.

  • nebulaboy

    What purpose pray tell, does this ‘mystery snow’ have? What do “they” accomplish through its existence? If a flame won’t melt the snow, no amount of natural heat will either. Are you saying that this Atlanta snow will still be here in July when its 90F? How do ‘they’ plan to remove it, if ever? As I said earlier, if anyone reverse engineers this rather abundant wonder-material, they could make a lot of money!

    Our current system of governance relies on a highly flawed electoral system — such that whoever raises the most money will win. Such that congressmen, upon getting elected, immediately set to work on their re-election campaign. The mind manipulation going on nowadays is mostly with regard to attaining material wealth. Celebrities are revered for their lavish dreamy lifestyles. Internet and television advertising encourage us to attain certain status symbols — cars, jewellery, lavish homes, extravagant vacations, the latest smartphone, designer clothes. I wish I could cave in and blame it on mysterious chemicals in a snowball perpetrated by some super-secret cabal, but fact is, it isn’t. It’s in all of us. The minute shareholders don’t demand quarter-over-quarter increases in stock value — the minute us as consumers stop buying stuff we don’t really need, the minute we refuse to buy into the false happiness of material wealth, is the time when we could potentially overcome these difficulties. Advertisers have had decades to learn how to best manipulate our desires. These techniques have been extended to political advertising. I remember once applying for a sales position at a company that sold expensive goods. During the orientation, the director said “It doesn’t matter if your customer has the money to afford it. If they want it enough, they will *find* a way to afford it.”

    No amount of “fake snow” could ever hope to accomplish or even enhance what has already been done.

  • nebulaboy

    “the only way carbon is emitted is if the methane that escapes mixes with free hydroxyl radicals,”

    Please describe a practical situation where that would happen. Also, explain why carbon deposits are found almost anywhere where hydrocarbons are burned. Where is the carbon coming from when you put an orange flame right up to a spoon, a glass, a plate, or other non-flammable surface? Is that a “free hydroxyl radical”? Please elaborate.

  • Jesse Watson

    I am trying to decide who is the most stupid…the author or the catfish that believe this. All snow does this. Google it and then youtube it….I am not going to explain the science here since anyone that reads this is probably a drooling mouth breather with a public school education…..so go back and drink more of the koolaid and then hide because bigfoot has been recruited by the UN to take your guns and then burn down your house so they can take your land to further Agenda 21….

  • Thulsa Doom

    video evidence really, have you eliminated all particulate material in the air, no. What a maroon. How do we know there are no particulates on the glass itself. Look at how much dust is in the air of a common household. Chemical equations dont lie

    videos do.

    On earth at sea level to 15000 feet 2 C4H10 + 13 O2 → 8 CO2 + 10 H2O

    In your theoretical limited oxygen evironment
    2 C4H10 + 9 O2 → 8 CO + 10 H2O

    Still 2 odorless colorless gases that leave no soot, these are the
    only 2 possible conditions for butane combustion to occur. Don’t mess
    with the champ

    the conditions for carbon depostis are this the butane is adulterated (ie propane and HS2 or one other condition
    Free CL radicals would change butane into a methyl group and strip away the hydrogen until only carbon remains
    2CL +C4H10=4 CH2+2HCL and so on until one gets carbon.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Hydroxyl radicals are everywhere and they interact with methane without combustion geez, do I have to teach you chemistry. CH4+HO=CH3 +H20 and so on, add some Cl radicals, until you have carbon and water.
    The reason why there are carbon deposits is because they add things like mercaptan, hydrogen sulfides etc to the gas in order to make it detectable. these are what leave the carbon deposits.

    One last thing if you think butane and methane are so close, drink some H202, pretty close to water H20 right? I want you to drink a whole quart of it. I mean they are so close molecularly, right?

  • nebulaboy

    I’m not talking about methane.. I’m talking about butane. An orange BUTANE flame will produce black carbon soot on spoon, a glass, a plate, a snowball, an ice cube or other non-flammable surface. You haven’t explained that.. Is butane also subject to your free hydroxyl radicals too?

  • Guest

    chemical equations dont lie, people do. I gave you both chemical equations in low oxygen and oxygen rich environment

    On earth at sea level to 15000 feet 2 C4H10 + 13 O2 → 8 CO2 + 10 H2O

    In your theoretical limited oxygen evironment
    2 C4H10 + 9 O2 → 8 CO + 10 H2O

    Particulates in the atmosphere or surface of object is the only explanation outside of contaminants in the butane. BIC use s pure butane, Propane is adulterated with mercaptan,, Hydrogen Sulfide etc.. that is the only other explanation.

    There is always the possibility of intermingling with a Cl radicals changing the compound to a methyl grouping 2CL+ C4H10= 2HCL+C4H8(CH2) + more CL radicals and you have carbon deposits. just saying there is your other possibility. The ability of the Chloride atom to change Butane into a methyl group

  • Thulsa Doom

    In your theoretical limited oxygen evironment
    2 C4H10 + 9 O2 → 8 CO + 10 H2O

  • Thulsa Doom

    Nature always moves to equilibrium.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Combustion will not occur if there is not enough O2 for even CO to be produced. Again the product are not carbon

  • Thulsa Doom

    There is still full combustion it is simply producing 2 odorless colorless gases. This is just when oxygen is limited. To get carbon one must turn it into a methyl group by adding radical CL ions

  • Thulsa Doom

    Butane could be subject to free chlorine radicals, changing its form to a methyl group making it subject to both hydroxyl oxidation and cloride transformation.
    2CL+H4C10=4 CH2 + 2HCL ((CH2 + HO + CL= C+H20+HCL)) that would produce carbon from butane in the presence of both chlorine radicals and hydroxyl radicals.

    So yes butane is subject in the presence of free Cl radicals, that is why you would get soot on glass panes cleaned by tap water or snow that for some reason has chlorine in it.

  • Mike

    Get 2 butter knives, 1 lighter and 1 stove.

    Burn the tip of one knife with the lighter. Do the same with the other knife with the flame of the stove. The knife burned by the lighter will have black soot. However, the knife burned by the stove will not. You can repeat this over and over with different knives, different environment ect.

    There are several videos on youtube showing people using a lighter on this “fake snow”, resulting in black soot. With the same snow they then try it on a stove…. yet the stove does not leave black soot. In fact, EVERY video involving a stove and this “fake snow” does not leave this black soot.

    I’m curious to read your explanation of this.

  • Thulsa Doom

    My explanation would be this, the knives were cleaned in tap water, leaving free Cl radicals for the butane to interact with changing it into a methyl group, 2CL+4HC10=4 CH2+2HCL, then in the presence of Cl radicals and Hydroxyl radicals the uncombusted methyl group is further reduced into carbon deposits, CH2+Cl+HO=C+HCL+H2O

    Or there is containment oil in the butane, just like propane is adulterated with HS2, mercaptan, hydrogen sulfide, perhaps the butane is adulterated with some oil for containment. chemical equations don’t lie, videos do.

    1 last explanation , Metal surfaces could act as catalysts for dehydrogenation
    reactions that lead to the formation of carbon deposits. At elevated
    temperatures, stainless steel surfaces deposit large amounts of
    carbonaceous deposits from jet fuel
    decomposition. Carbon deposit
    precursors such as radicals and unsaturated hydrocarbons are formed
    in the gas phase and react with active centers on metal surfaces
    An effective way of preventing deposition from pyrolysis of
    fuels was found to be the use of inert coatings such as Zirconia
    and Silcosteel

  • Mike

    My next question. Do you actually believe that all these video’s are showing fake government made snow?

  • Not of this World

    That’s exactly what I thought, you got nothing. You’re a troll. I just provided you with 15+ separate sources of information, let alone the fucking US Patent Office with actual patents on the mechanisms used. Useful idiot. LOL

  • Thulsa Doom

    Yes i believe there is a several hundred gigaton out burst of methane gas occurring since October of 2013 off of the ESAS, i believe that they are manipulating the jet stream via HAARP (ionosphere heater)to move methane out of the Arctic then saturating the methane with free Chlorine and Hydroxyl radicals and that is why the snow when burnt with butane leaves soot (it is actually escaping butane reacting with the free radicals mentioned), I believe the snow is or what is in the snow is Dihydrogen Oxide,
    highly reactive hydroxyl radical. this is what I believe they are spraying and it will react vigorously with the methane producing other methyl groups that can be further broken down with Chlorine and Hydroxyl radicals. . This process changes methane to inert ingredients. I believe there is a real possibility for some serious consequences if they don’t do something . Methane levels are at the highest point since the Permian Triassic extinction when 99% of all life died on this planet. The Arctic is 45-50 degrees warmer than average this year. It was -23 where I live last night , it was 24 degrees at the north pole. Just Google methane and East Siberian Arctic Shelf

  • Avattoir

    What a bunch of mooks. All you southerners are doing is perpetuating the stereotype by PROVING it accurate. I’ve been to Greenland, Sweden, Denmark, northern Canada, and seen the EXACT SAME STUFF — it’s called SNOW, folks! And if you put a torch to it, or put on a hot skillet on a stove, it’s not going to drip OUT, it’s going to melt IN, to become a slushie.

    That’s how to MAKE a slushie; even frickin’ Apoo the cartoon Pakistan guy on the Simpsons knows this! It’s called — careful now; hide the kids — PHYSICS!

  • Avattoir

    You’re not a complete idiot; you’re just a partial idiot. You’re a primate example of the old saying, A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

    You seem to think we live in closed system here on Earth. We don’t. We live on a planet surrounded by space, not all of it empty, bombarded by a full range of light rays from the Sun, including x-rays and gamma rays, as well as by exploding stars, supernovae, billions of miles away, in a solar system that forges through this galaxy like a power boat, with a bow wave and an aft wave, in a galaxy of 2 o3 3 hundred billion solar systems that forges through this universe at hundreds of thousands of miles an hours. The closest thing we know of to a closed system is that universe of several hundreds of billions of galaxies and chemical gas and star stuff.

    Go check out a scientist, like astronomer Phil Plait who blogs at Slate.com. He’s got a video up showing all this.

  • Avattoir

    I doubt you have 100 IQ points on a slug.

  • Avattoir

    They’re not “out there”; they’re right here, blogging as thulsa doom.

  • Avattoir

    Nah, the Onion wouldn’t publish anything making people look THIS ignorant and crazy; it’s too improbable. That’s why folks say ‘truth is stranger than fiction’. This story and some of the entries on this thread serve to prove that.

  • Thulsa Doom

    a slug with a 110 IQ points more than you. hahahahahahaah!

  • Thulsa Doom

    Yeah, snow turns black when you put a lighter to it, doesn’t melt at all. O o oo oo o K cool guy. Why don’t you google Norwegian melts snow with lighter. It melts quickly and does not char. There 100′s of videos of people putting a torch to it for 10 minutes and this stuff is not melting. Snow melts when put to a flame cool guy, when you hold it,it drips.. Especially in humid areas like Atlanta and Tennessee. Nice try shill, this stuff doesn’t even drip.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Considering there has been a several hundred gigaton outgassing of methane off the ESAS. I believe any look at the jet stream shows it streaming out of the ESAS; the stretch and resulting counterbalance dipping all the way down to Florida. Coindence, I think not. I believe we are witnessing emergency measures to contain a potentially civilization altering event as nature is creating a greenhouse gas, specifically methane, feed back loop. CH4 is a hundred times more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, bathed in Hydroxyl and Chlorine radicals methane can be quickly rendered inert (Chem Trails). Methane hydrates and clathrates are erupting all over the ESAS in KM wide spouts. The arctic is 44 degreees warmer than average. Sh** is hitting the fan. That is what is happening. They are using chemtrails, HAARP. cloud reflectivity, ground reflectivity, particulate cooling, chemical nucleation and who knows what else to ameliorate the effect of this event.

  • MaGaO

    Like hell it won’t.

  • MaGaO

    CL ions… is that a typo, perhaps?
    And no, there is not full combustion, A butane lighter will create soot:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSgVGbi5dyY
    If you just got off your seat and went to check it you wouldn’t be showing your ignorance to the whole world.
    For the last time: get a damned bic lighter, put it up to some glass or pottery. Soot will form. End of the argument.

  • Thulsa Doom

    That is its lowest oxygen state if there is not enough O2 for the reaction to begin it wont. Butane could be subject to free chlorine radicals, changing its form to a methyl group making it subject to both hydroxyl oxidation and cloride transformation.
    2CL+H4C10=4 CH2 + 2HCL ((CH2 + HO + CL= C+H20+HCL)) that would produce carbon from butane in the presence of both chlorine radicals and hydroxyl radicals. But not by ignition.

  • MaGaO

    When did chlorine even enter the equation? Anyway, it doesn’t matter. Keep your fantasyland beliefs. I’m not going to waste any more time when all you need to do is get a butane lighter and put its flame to any glass surface for ten seconds. If you aren’t willing to run that simple experiment you are just trolling.

  • Thulsa Doom

    Because the fake snow contains these free radicals, an equation is an equation is an equation. The only way Carbon is released from butane is the transformation that occurs when exposed to free cl radicals and hydroxly radicals, the “snow” probably contains both of these. There is a several hundred gt outgassing of methane in the ESAS occuring as we speak. These 2 radicals are the only way to reduce methane to an inert substance(100 times more potent greenhouse gas than CO2). I have identified hydronium hydroxide as the source of the free hydroxyl radicals, AlCl3 is the source of the cl radical. I made my own ice from RO water, shaved it to make snow,from RO water, no carbon deposits.

  • painkills2

    Now, see, is this the way to educate someone? By calling them stupid?

  • painkills2

    If you think “these people” are a waste of time, then how valuable does that make your time, spent talking shit to them?

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Who’s trolling now, goofball? Also, why would I try to educate these people? They believe nonsense with absurd pride. Are you done, now? Or will you do another internet “I’m-walking-away-cause-you’re-mean” just to come back with more time-wasting? Unfortunately these comments go to my email which alerts me, so I can’t ignore them. You are apparently seeking this out. It’s odd. Seems like you need a hobby, my friend.

  • painkills2

    I am touched that you have already labeled me as a friend. And the last time I heard the label “goofball,” it was used as a term of endearment. I think I’m starting to like you. (Just kidding, don’t blow a gasket.)

    It’s just that I’m confused (I admit, not an unusual occurrence). You’re obviously not a troll. You appear to have something to say. But, it’s like you don’t know how to say it in polite company. Why are you purposely creating animosity with your words, when you obviously have the vocabulary to do otherwise?

    See, my hobby is curiosity. It is also something I use to distract myself from… things. Why is it odd that I would be curious about someone who insists on belittling his talking points, over and over again, by being crass? I dunno, it seems awfully counter-productive.

    Anyway, sorry this is so long (but I’m not sorry that you have to go to the trouble of clicking the delete button if you don’t want to read this). Cheers, mate!

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Do tell, what is gained in subtlety? How many points would I win in such company with politeness?

  • painkills2

    Oh. You’re in it to win points. Who’s taking score? When will you know if you’ve won? How do you even know what your score is? I mean, I hope you’re not relying on the voting system in disqus…

  • Thulsa Doom

    Nope, i am right, halogentation of butane, look it up. CH3CH2CH2CH3+2CL the tranformation of an alkane into a methyl group has begun, now bathe that sh** in hydroxyl radicals. that is what is happening. There is strange sh** in that snow is the bottom line trampoline boy, I call you that because of the way they say bounced on c*ck back in high school.

    johnathan swift – don’t mess with the champ

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Oh, no, that’s not what I meant by that comment. I meant that being nice and putting things gently would make exactly zero progress. My motivation is simply to call a spade a spade.

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Oh, that’s not what I meant. I spoke of “points” euphemistically. What I mean is that your suggestions to be nicer and put my case more lightly wouldn’t do much good.

  • painkills2

    “Oh, no, that’s not what I meant by that comment. I meant that being nice and putting things gently would make exactly zero progress. My motivation is simply to call a spade a spade.” A Marcus Henry Weber quote that recently disappeared in disqus.

    Now, see the difference between these two responses? Try to put yourself in my shoes (or in front of my screen).

    Considering that all I have to go on are your words, not your intent, facial expression, or the sound of your voice, I think your second comment is.. nicer. See, it’s not like you can’t do this.

    If you want to make progress for your arguments, do you really think calling people names, talking down to them, accomplishes that? Now, c’mon… Does that work when someone does it to you?

    Fess up. What are you so irritated about all the time? I mean, I don’t mean to pry, but as you have now figured out, I have this problem with curiosity…

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Honestly, I wondered what happened to that comment. I didn’t delete it. I mean both things equally. I’m neither; I’m both. My primary concern is not debating the delusional on silly websites; this is about %1 of my daily output. What you say is not incorrect. The flip side of my deep concern with the truth, and with the moral and ethical is a deep well of anger, derision and contempt for those who (I think) choose ignorance and spread (what they ought to know to be) lies and misinformation.

  • painkills2

    I know what you mean about people who spread lies and misinformation. But, isn’t that the way of the world? Truth has always been hard to find.

    The thing about posting comments on the internet is that no one really knows who you are. Sure, you say this is your real name, and maybe it is, but who really knows? So it’s even more important for your words to say exactly what you want them to say. But communication is a two-way street, no? Right?

    With the disruptions in the media industry, there is a loss of news that most of America is watching. So when people are educated by comment sections, it is even more crucial for there to be real communication and learning. If you want to be part of that, perhaps a lighter tone would be helpful? Something like this:

    “I’m sorry (insert name), but you are wrong. Check out these links, do some further research, and then come on back here and we can talk.”

    Or, how about being a little humble? “Smarter people than me (I?) have done the research, confirmed it with further research, and then duplicated those results. When you can present your own findings in this way, we can discuss it further. Until then, you are just spreading misinformation, which is not cool.”

    Ta da!

  • Marcus Henry Weber

    Thanks for being thoughtful, my friend. Of course I can deny none of your points. Rest assured, I have said things just so magnanimous and judicious on numerous occasions, and still do. The rest of my work is available on my facebook and here http://redlinesblog.wordpress.com/ among other places.

  • Angi Bryan

    Don’t believe me.. it’s been debunked on youtube as much as it’s been shown. NOW go get a butane lighter and try burning anything with it, it will turn black and the black will wipe off. Butane burns dirty and leaves soot. My dad showed me this “snow doesn’t burn” trick back in the 70′s.. he learned it back in the 50′s ..it’s not a new concept… the only NEW factor is that people don’t use reason and/or a thought process and will fall for anything. Geez people use your brain.

  • Angi Bryan

    And SUBLIMATION is a scientific process… I have a 4.0 GPA in college science and math.. but I understood this process when I was 7 years old when my dad showed it to me back in the 70′s with “snow” ..he also learned it as a child back in the 50′s.. it’s not new at all. The NEW factor is that people don’t use a thought process and can be easily duped into believing anything they see.. even an incomplete experiment conducted by dip s h i t s on a youtube video. Sublimation is when ..by scientific reasoning ..matter skips a state due to an extreme factor.

  • Angi Bryan

    Ye we have a pollution problem ..but it has nothing to do with why this snow appears not to melt.

  • Angi Bryan

    yes.. that’s the butane.. when you put a butane lighter flame to any surface ..say glass or wood or even plastic ..before it burns, soot will collect on the surface. Butane burns dirty.

  • nebulaboy

    Where is the empirical evidence for these methods? I’ve yet to see any cogent chemical analysis of the snow in question. But hey, since it allegedly doesn’t melt, it’ll be around for a very long time. Of course, the longer one waits, the more likely it will become cross-contaminated by terrestrial pollutants.

  • nebulaboy

    “..United Nations (UN) and various Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation-backed groups have recently been forced to admit that such sprayings are taking place, and that the emitted particles are not normal contrails…” Where can one get confirmation of this stunning admission? I’d be very interested in reading that. As for the U.S. patent office — filing of a patent does not mean said invention actually exists, let alone works as intended. If you have the $ and time to correctly file an application and your invention doesn’t infringe on an existing patent, you too can be a patent holder.

  • FoX

    If this snow is fake and doesnt melt then it should stay on the ground through summer…
    Which isnt going to happen…
    And the snow would have just kept piling up this entire winter, but it melts when the temperature goes above 32 degrees…
    You guys are seriously taking this wayyy too far
    Its so fucking annoying to see how dumb Americans really are…

  • hansman

    Grab a butter knife, some soapy water and an acetylene torch.

    Take the acetylene torch and reduce the oxygen flow. Pour the soapy water I two identical buckets and use 1 bucket to clean the knife. Run the knife through the low oxygen flame. You get soot on the blade.

    Clean the knife in the other bucket of water and, for good measure clean it in the first bucket.

    Turn the oxygen way up on the flame. Run the knife through the flake and you get no soot.

    For double good measure, re clean the blade, pump all of the radicals and.whatever the he’ll else you want and pump in pure gas or do whatever.the he’ll you want to the air in the room. Rerun the experiment in whichever order you want and the low oxygen flame will always leave soot on the blade while the oxygen rich flame won’t.

    Answer: Not a government conspiracy. What I want to know is what happened to all of this non – melting snow?

  • Travis Hackett

    Try putting the snow in a microwave. Melts into regular water. Because it is regular water. Pick up snow anywhere in the world and hold a lighter to it. Same reaction. Hell, make your own “pure” snow and hold a lighter to it. Same reaction. I swear, some people will believe anything that agrees with their paranoia.

  • Tim Harb

    Thulsa your wrong. Anytime you burn a fuel there is a release of carbon. Study science a bitmore before you make some statements.

  • Tim Harb

    What the hell do you think the carbon in butane is. Butane is not a clean fuel and when it burns it does release some carbon. I have no idea where you get your information but just calling people stupid and trying to throw big words does not prove your points. You also have to consider the air impurities that are being brought into the flame when it is burning. None of your chemistry formulas show that. this alone will alter the amount of carbon being released as well. Oh quick lesson for you with fuels. ANY FUEL that contains carbon is not a pure or clean fuel. They all release some carbon matter.

  • Angi Bryan

    go back to 9th grade science.. butane is a dirty fuel.. anything you burn with it will have soot transference ..try it for yourself.. burns something with a butane lighter.. this has been debunked a thousand times.. I’m done… continue to be mesmerized by incomplete information for all i care… But the information is out there if you care to stop jumping to conclusions and actually try to learn something. This crap wouldn’t have fooled me when I was a child it certainly doesn’t fool me now.

  • Angi Bryan

    yeah.. and when i grabbed the snow it sort of naturally made a snowball.. i tried burning it ..then even tried packing it harder and burning it.. I’m not going to explain elementary science to you but I didn’t make up sublimation.. go look it up for yourself. I’ll just give you this.. sublimation in physics, is the conversion of a substance from the solid to the vapor state without its becoming liquid. The opposite of this is called deposition… I actually learned a lot of this in physical science from a teacher named Mr. Price.. some 20+ years ago, we were lucky enough to have a little bit a snow back then and he took the opportunity to illustrate sublimation.. but then I revisited the subject about 5 years ago when I was taking Chemistry in college with Dr. Hicks.. Passed both with A+ But thanks for explaining 5th grade science to me ;)

  • Angi Bryan

    Yes.. butane is a dirty fuel.. soot transference will occur when you try to burn anything with a butane lighter.. try it for yourself.

  • Angi Bryan

    It sat for 3 days.. nothing but water.. and a few cat hairs.. maybe some dust particles

  • nebulaboy

    It is now April 9th 2014. The snow is nowhere to be seen. I rest my case.

  • nebulaboy

    And yet the snow is now all gone, just as it should. So much for “plastic” snow! Buh Bye